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I don't know the answer, that's why I'm bringing it up. What variants of the competition will we be fighting? Were the 109 and 190 in game also the most likely to be encountered? Just curious.

 

As mentioned, the 109 K-4 and 190 D-9 are later in the war... both of which were first going into service in numbers in October 1944.

 

However, the FW 190 A-8 is on its way to DCS (ref: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3644925&postcount=162 ) This will be a good contemporary for the P-47 and Spit.MkIX, as well as the Normandy map. The first A-8s were being used for combat in around April/May 1944

 

 

 

Refs:

https://www.chuckhawks.com/messerschmitt_Bf109.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190

https://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/09/difference-between-fw190a-8r2-and-8r8.html

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Regards manifold pressure, the same equivocations that afflict the P-51D apply to the P-47.

 

If we get an airframe representative of a 9th Air Force machine then the 64-65" setting is what we would get as the 9th never used anything other than 130 Grade fuel.

 

If we get an airframe representative of a 8th Air Force machine then the 70-72" setting is what we would get as the 8th used 150 Grade fuel.

 

During the period the Normandy map is set the following numbers of Fighter Squadrons were equipped with P-47s:

 

8th Airforce:

 

61st

62nd

63rd

82nd

83rd

84th

350th

351st

352nd

359th

360th

361st

368th

369th

370th

 

Total Squadrons = 15

 

 

9th Airforce:

 

10th

22nd

23rd

53rd

81st

313th

365th

366th

367th

377th

378th

379th

386th

387th

388th

389th

390th

391st

395th

396th

397th

404th

405th

406th

410th

411th

412th

492nd

493rd

494th

506th

507th

508th

509th

510th

511th

512th

513th

514th

 

Total Squadrons = 39

 

So in the simplest terms, as a Luftwaffe pilot, you were more than twice as likely to encounter a 64-65" setting P-47.

 

This changes if we are a bit more defined as to our area of combat ops.

 

Aside from the immediate post D-Day period, 8th Air Force aircraft were employed on strategic bomber escort in the enemies rear.

 

Ergo, as a Luftwaffe pilot doing bomber intercept over Germany you were much more likely to meet 70" P-47.

 

As a Luftwaffe pilot over Normandy you were much more likely to encounter a 64-65" setting P-47.

 

Given the Normandy map, I therefore argue a 63" P-47 is better representative.

 

64-65" would be most correct as this would be the most common setting at the time.

 

What most people don't realize is that 64" is actually rather powerful and will allow us to produce a top speed of 443mph at 29,000 feet.

 

I've never found any documentation of a P-47D top speed when using 70" excpt for early test which was with a P-47D-22.

The D-22 in the test produced a top speed of 444 mph at 23,200ft, that's quite a bit lower than the D-30 we are getting.

 

Also, people shouldn't get hung up on the "normandy" map as the planeset we are getting were never present at normandy.


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Where do you suggest we fly if not Normandy?

 

Not sure what you mean. Never said we can't fly Normandy, I just said people shouldn't get caught up in what the settings the aircraft should get because none of these aircraft were present during the Normandy campaign.

 

Basically they shouldn't use Normandy as a reference point to determine power settings.

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64-65" would be most correct as this would be the most common setting at the time.

 

What most people don't realize is that 64" is actually rather powerful and will allow us to produce a top speed of 443mph at 29,000 feet.

 

I've never found any documentation of a P-47D top speed when using 70" excpt for early test which was with a P-47D-22.

The D-22 in the test produced a top speed of 444 mph at 23,200ft, that's quite a bit lower than the D-30 we are getting.

 

Also, people shouldn't get hung up on the "normandy" map as the planeset we are getting were never present at normandy.

 

D-22's top speed was with wing racks. So add 15mph at all ALT.

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D-22's top speed was with wing racks. So add 15mph at all ALT.

 

How did you come up with that number? I'm not saying it's wrong but from the research I've done the speed loss was less at around 11 mph or less.

 

Just curious, I'm trying to gain more knowledge about it.

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personally id like the option higher engine settings even if i wont be flying escort missions.

 

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That last picture is of Major John Howard. Talk about balls of steel. I don't know how he managed to cram those things into the small cockpit of a P-51. He was a carrier pilot, who left the Navy to join up with the Flying Tigers. He destoyed six Japanese airplanes. When they disbanded the Tigers, he went back to the States and went into the USAAF. He was assigned to the new 354th Fighter Group. While flying an escort mission over Germany, he found himself alone, but dove into a huge group of German fighters tearing apart some B-17's. He ignored the numbers, (Some say as much as thirty!) and managed to shoot down six. The B-17 Squadron commander later said:

"For sheer determination and guts, it was the greatest exhibition I've ever seen. It was a case of one lone American against what seemed to be the entire Luftwaffe. He was all over the wing, across and around it. They can't give that boy a big enough award."

They gave him the Medal of Honor. The only American fighter pilot in Europe to recieve it.


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"I've been a fan for longer than most here have lived."

 

Back in the late sixties I read Bob Johnson's "Thunderbolt" for the first time. That's when my fandom started. I've read the book countless times since then and finally had the true pleasure of meeting Robert Johnson during an airshow along with other pilots of the Thunderbolt Pilot's Association.

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Hey Buzz, how many times do you think you've seen "Fighter Squadron" with Robert Stack and Edmund O'Brian? I've lost count.

 

Every time it comes up. I think I was around 6-7 years old the first time. Pretty good movie in its day.

Buzz

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Yeah, I think so, too. For some reasons the historic inaccuracies don't bother me the way they do some films. Yeah, I know that airfield they're on doesn't look anything like an 8th AF base, and yeah, I know they used Mustangs as '109's, and yeah that whole plot about not being allowed to get married was baloney, and yeah the markings were all wrong for an 8th Air Force unit..and there's more. But I still really enjoy it every time I watch it.

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Hey, I think the best part is that even in the Pacific the P-47 did better than Mustang in terms of scoring lol....didn't Neel Kearby have more kills than almost every Mustang pilot too? He had 22, Preddy is the only Pony driver who scored more than Kearby with 26, the next nearest all were in the 18-21 range.

 

Also, this made me laugh today......

 

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Hey, I think the best part is that even in the Pacific the P-47 did better than Mustang in terms of scoring lol....didn't Neel Kearby have more kills than almost every Mustang pilot too? He had 22, Preddy is the only Pony driver who scored more than Kearby with 26, the next nearest all were in the 18-21 range.

 

 

 

Or Richard Bong, with 40 kills? (all P-38?). Or Pappy, with 26 in the Corsair?

 

 

 

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Well, in fairness to the Mustang drivers, they were late comers to the Pacific war. They didn't start replacing P-40's in China until the middle of '44, and didn't start operating out of Iwo Jima until early in '45. And don't forget, Major Shomo, in his Mustang the flying Undertaker, won himself a Medal Of Honor over the Philippines in February of 1945.

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