xvii-Dietrich Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I don't know the answer, that's why I'm bringing it up. What variants of the competition will we be fighting? Were the 109 and 190 in game also the most likely to be encountered? Just curious. As mentioned, the 109 K-4 and 190 D-9 are later in the war... both of which were first going into service in numbers in October 1944. However, the FW 190 A-8 is on its way to DCS (ref: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3644925&postcount=162 ) This will be a good contemporary for the P-47 and Spit.MkIX, as well as the Normandy map. The first A-8s were being used for combat in around April/May 1944 Refs: https://www.chuckhawks.com/messerschmitt_Bf109.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190 https://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/09/difference-between-fw190a-8r2-and-8r8.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) Regards manifold pressure, the same equivocations that afflict the P-51D apply to the P-47. If we get an airframe representative of a 9th Air Force machine then the 64-65" setting is what we would get as the 9th never used anything other than 130 Grade fuel. If we get an airframe representative of a 8th Air Force machine then the 70-72" setting is what we would get as the 8th used 150 Grade fuel. During the period the Normandy map is set the following numbers of Fighter Squadrons were equipped with P-47s: 8th Airforce: 61st 62nd 63rd 82nd 83rd 84th 350th 351st 352nd 359th 360th 361st 368th 369th 370th Total Squadrons = 15 9th Airforce: 10th 22nd 23rd 53rd 81st 313th 365th 366th 367th 377th 378th 379th 386th 387th 388th 389th 390th 391st 395th 396th 397th 404th 405th 406th 410th 411th 412th 492nd 493rd 494th 506th 507th 508th 509th 510th 511th 512th 513th 514th Total Squadrons = 39 So in the simplest terms, as a Luftwaffe pilot, you were more than twice as likely to encounter a 64-65" setting P-47. This changes if we are a bit more defined as to our area of combat ops. Aside from the immediate post D-Day period, 8th Air Force aircraft were employed on strategic bomber escort in the enemies rear. Ergo, as a Luftwaffe pilot doing bomber intercept over Germany you were much more likely to meet 70" P-47. As a Luftwaffe pilot over Normandy you were much more likely to encounter a 64-65" setting P-47. Given the Normandy map, I therefore argue a 63" P-47 is better representative. 64-65" would be most correct as this would be the most common setting at the time. What most people don't realize is that 64" is actually rather powerful and will allow us to produce a top speed of 443mph at 29,000 feet. I've never found any documentation of a P-47D top speed when using 70" excpt for early test which was with a P-47D-22. The D-22 in the test produced a top speed of 444 mph at 23,200ft, that's quite a bit lower than the D-30 we are getting. Also, people shouldn't get hung up on the "normandy" map as the planeset we are getting were never present at normandy. Edited October 18, 2018 by Legion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Where do you suggest we fly if not Normandy? Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Where do you suggest we fly if not Normandy? Not sure what you mean. Never said we can't fly Normandy, I just said people shouldn't get caught up in what the settings the aircraft should get because none of these aircraft were present during the Normandy campaign. Basically they shouldn't use Normandy as a reference point to determine power settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 64-65" would be most correct as this would be the most common setting at the time. What most people don't realize is that 64" is actually rather powerful and will allow us to produce a top speed of 443mph at 29,000 feet. I've never found any documentation of a P-47D top speed when using 70" excpt for early test which was with a P-47D-22. The D-22 in the test produced a top speed of 444 mph at 23,200ft, that's quite a bit lower than the D-30 we are getting. Also, people shouldn't get hung up on the "normandy" map as the planeset we are getting were never present at normandy. D-22's top speed was with wing racks. So add 15mph at all ALT. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrett_g Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Saw this today and it made me chuckle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Saw this today and it made me chuckle: Hah, just saw this on the facebook page. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 D-22's top speed was with wing racks. So add 15mph at all ALT. How did you come up with that number? I'm not saying it's wrong but from the research I've done the speed loss was less at around 11 mph or less. Just curious, I'm trying to gain more knowledge about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 personally id like the option higher engine settings even if i wont be flying escort missions. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Saw this today and it made me chuckle: :lol::thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 P-51's can shoot down more than German planes. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercoupe Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) That last picture is of Major John Howard. Talk about balls of steel. I don't know how he managed to cram those things into the small cockpit of a P-51. He was a carrier pilot, who left the Navy to join up with the Flying Tigers. He destoyed six Japanese airplanes. When they disbanded the Tigers, he went back to the States and went into the USAAF. He was assigned to the new 354th Fighter Group. While flying an escort mission over Germany, he found himself alone, but dove into a huge group of German fighters tearing apart some B-17's. He ignored the numbers, (Some say as much as thirty!) and managed to shoot down six. The B-17 Squadron commander later said: "For sheer determination and guts, it was the greatest exhibition I've ever seen. It was a case of one lone American against what seemed to be the entire Luftwaffe. He was all over the wing, across and around it. They can't give that boy a big enough award." They gave him the Medal of Honor. The only American fighter pilot in Europe to recieve it. Edited October 21, 2018 by Ercoupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrett_g Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 P-51's can shoot down more than German planes So can P-47’s!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I love both planes and will own them both when the Jug gets here. I've been a fan for longer than most here have lived. I don't like to see either one ragged on. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercoupe Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 "I've been a fan for longer than most here have lived." Back in the late sixties I read Bob Johnson's "Thunderbolt" for the first time. That's when my fandom started. I've read the book countless times since then and finally had the true pleasure of meeting Robert Johnson during an airshow along with other pilots of the Thunderbolt Pilot's Association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I became a fan around 1950. Maybe a bit earlier. It's hard to remember that far back. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercoupe Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hey Buzz, how many times do you think you've seen "Fighter Squadron" with Robert Stack and Edmund O'Brian? I've lost count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Razor Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Definitely one of the best WWII aviation movies made :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hey Buzz, how many times do you think you've seen "Fighter Squadron" with Robert Stack and Edmund O'Brian? I've lost count. Every time it comes up. I think I was around 6-7 years old the first time. Pretty good movie in its day. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercoupe Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Yeah, I think so, too. For some reasons the historic inaccuracies don't bother me the way they do some films. Yeah, I know that airfield they're on doesn't look anything like an 8th AF base, and yeah, I know they used Mustangs as '109's, and yeah that whole plot about not being allowed to get married was baloney, and yeah the markings were all wrong for an 8th Air Force unit..and there's more. But I still really enjoy it every time I watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert31178 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Hey, I think the best part is that even in the Pacific the P-47 did better than Mustang in terms of scoring lol....didn't Neel Kearby have more kills than almost every Mustang pilot too? He had 22, Preddy is the only Pony driver who scored more than Kearby with 26, the next nearest all were in the 18-21 range. Also, this made me laugh today...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Hey, I think the best part is that even in the Pacific the P-47 did better than Mustang in terms of scoring lol....didn't Neel Kearby have more kills than almost every Mustang pilot too? He had 22, Preddy is the only Pony driver who scored more than Kearby with 26, the next nearest all were in the 18-21 range. Or Richard Bong, with 40 kills? (all P-38?). Or Pappy, with 26 in the Corsair? In any case, I want to fly the Jug! Bring it! :thumbup: MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercoupe Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Well, in fairness to the Mustang drivers, they were late comers to the Pacific war. They didn't start replacing P-40's in China until the middle of '44, and didn't start operating out of Iwo Jima until early in '45. And don't forget, Major Shomo, in his Mustang the flying Undertaker, won himself a Medal Of Honor over the Philippines in February of 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Preddy flew the P-51 for less than a year. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Preddy flew the P-51 for less than a year. He got the majority of his victories in the P-51. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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