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We can not release the template unitl all the model work has been completed for each P-47 variant. Hopefully it wont be much longer, but I can not put a date on it yet.

 

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Just file it down. Simple and works like a charm. Then you can have a little resistance and if needed just push it through. Easy, Peasy.

 

Info can be found on Youtube.

 

For the P47, I have adjusted the throttle curves so that at the detent, the engine is at the first redline and when I push it through the detent, it goes to max.

 

I tried filing it down but it appears to be made of adamantium. Even diamond files wouldn't work well.

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Not sure what you're using for a detent but Shapsway is made for you . You'll know where the detent is but it's easy to push through for planes that don't need it.

 

 

Thank you for the answer. Just ordered mine. The normal detent is not good if you use the Throttle as collective or for warbirds.

 

 

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It's a nice map, miles ahead of Normandy in terms of detail, although it still needs some optimization.

 

Still, it works fine with large formations, and a low level it's just beautiful with all that detail. I'm recreating real 56th Fighter Group missions based on books and original combat reports. Of course the map doesn't have Boxted, Halesworth, nor targets in Germany, so the missions will be much shorter than they were in real life. I have a hunch though, that for some players they will still be too long, but hey, it's going to be a historical campaign and you can't make everyone happy.

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I can't wait to be able to tinker with the external tanks of the P 47 and have a nice take off at maximum weight.Yes, I also hope nice skins and the functionality of water injection in the cylinders ... yes :)

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I only had a chance to play with it briefly, but I thought it was amazing personally. It's new, and there's a lot of variety in aircraft these days. Wider adoption takes time )

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Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти.

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The truth is that there is a war going on: analog versus digital, young guys don't like everything that smacks of digital, hands, buttons or propellers. They were born in a period of strong technological changes, miniaturized telephones ... a square of silicon there are a million and a half of transistors !! Today we talk about how to overcome the speed of light not the sound barrier and young people want to ride ships that travel between worlds, between the stars.

Airplanes like the P 47 are only for "guys" like us of 40/50 years old or more :) .. but we are not few and our admiration is genuine, if you continue to make them we will buy them.

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The truth is that there is a war going on: analog versus digital, young guys don't like everything that smacks of digital, hands, buttons or propellers. They were born in a period of strong technological changes, miniaturized telephones ... a square of silicon there are a million and a half of transistors !! Today we talk about how to overcome the speed of light not the sound barrier and young people want to ride ships that travel between worlds, between the stars.

Airplanes like the P 47 are only for "guys" like us of 40/50 years old or more :) .. but we are not few and our admiration is genuine, if you continue to make them we will buy them.

 

I'm 20 and i for one would love to tear ass around in a mustang, i myself prefer analog but i can see the advantages of digital in specific situations.

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Thanks guys for your comments, we try to support the work of these developers. Mine was an emotional outlet, it had saddened me and also worried the topic of this post. Please take a ride in the snow-capped mountains with the P 47 :)

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I mean.. I was hoping to see emergence of dedicated online squads !

 

Watch this entirely and tell me you’re not about to dream being one of these Flights where power comes from strategy, training and discipline !

 

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I guess my interest is really in a Korea or Vietnam map, as I keep trying to use the P-47D-40 as an AD-4 or AD-6(A-1H) Skyraider, and creating downed-pilot rescue scenarios.  Who will get there first, the ground forces or the helicopter?   (Hint to P-47 developers:  Do the Skyraider next.)

Part of the lack of interest might be the time span since WWII, --and-- that WWII planes are slow and players don't have the patience.  There seem to be chiefly two groups of DCS users:  Impatient youngsters that want to fly the latest and greatest computerized, digital-panel stealth fighters in a fantasy what-if scenario to find out if they should learn Chinese, Russian or English...i.e. who's going to win WW3?  And then there are old guys, like me, that despise MFD's, that want to re-enact wars past and experience or re-experience what it was like:  Vietnam, Korea, WWII, or other wars.  It's just a matter of whether you are young or old.  There is another split in the DCS group...those that swear the flight models work better in multiplayer and only fly online with others...and those that know the flight model is the same and just wish there was a much, much better AI so that they could control their DCS world and fly alone...because the online community is too chaotic and stressful and filled with spastic, impatient toddlers who are team-killing, show-offs.

The other thing is the lack of patience with engine temperature monitoring, the difficulty of handling a tail-dragger on the ground, and the lack of an afterburner, smart bombs, MFDs and a HUD.  ...and that is sucks at dogfighting against the Mirage 2000..."How come it can't carry Sidewinders?" ...because they hit the propeller and turn into sparks, that's why.

--I would be happy with all the planes that were built before 1984, right on back to that I-16 and an F4F Wildcat.

--Of course, this is a generalization and I do occasionally like watching laser guided bombs blow up the cross hairs every time on the little TV screen.  As well, there are some young people that like piston-powered planes and old, smokey jets.  🙂  Why can't we have both worlds?  You'll run out of modern jets before you run out of old jets and props.  I have learned that when it comes to blowing up as many armored vehicles as fast as possible, nothing beats the A-10C...except the A-10A.

 

I'd like to add on here that the P-47D is my favorite propeller plane in DCS, so far...need more radial-engine planes...Wildcat, TBD Devastator, Skyraider all pique my interest.  The Thunderbolt isn't all that difficult to handle on the ground, actually.  It wants to wander up and down a lot in flight.  Have to keep attention on attitude constantly to fly it level.  Can't put your head down in the cockpit flipping switches.  Gotta have eyes out maintaining attitude.  I wonder if the real one flies that way.


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On 12/12/2020 at 4:52 PM, Andrew8604 said:

I guess my interest is really in a Korea or Vietnam map, as I keep trying to use the P-47D-40 as an AD-4 or AD-6(A-1H) Skyraider, and creating downed-pilot rescue scenarios.  Who will get there first, the ground forces or the helicopter?   (Hint to P-47 developers:  Do the Skyraider next.)

Part of the lack of interest might be the time span since WWII, --and-- that WWII planes are slow and players don't have the patience.  There seem to be chiefly two groups of DCS users:  Impatient youngsters that want to fly the latest and greatest computerized, digital-panel stealth fighters in a fantasy what-if scenario to find out if they should learn Chinese, Russian or English...i.e. who's going to win WW3?  And then there are old guys, like me, that despise MFD's, that want to re-enact wars past and experience or re-experience what it was like:  Vietnam, Korea, WWII, or other wars.  It's just a matter of whether you are young or old.  There is another split in the DCS group...those that swear the flight models work better in multiplayer and only fly online with others...and those that know the flight model is the same and just wish there was a much, much better AI so that they could control their DCS world and fly alone...because the online community is too chaotic and stressful and filled with spastic, impatient toddlers who are team-killing, show-offs.

The other thing is the lack of patience with engine temperature monitoring, the difficulty of handling a tail-dragger on the ground, and the lack of an afterburner, smart bombs, MFDs and a HUD.  ...and that is sucks at dogfighting against the Mirage 2000..."How come it can't carry Sidewinders?" ...because they hit the propeller and turn into sparks, that's why.

--I would be happy with all the planes that were built before 1984, right on back to that I-16 and an F4F Wildcat.

--Of course, this is a generalization and I do occasionally like watching laser guided bombs blow up the cross hairs every time on the little TV screen.  As well, there are some young people that like piston-powered planes and old, smokey jets.  🙂  Why can't we have both worlds?  You'll run out of modern jets before you run out of old jets and props.  I have learned that when it comes to blowing up as many armored vehicles as fast as possible, nothing beats the A-10C...except the A-10A.

 

I'd like to add on here that the P-47D is my favorite propeller plane in DCS, so far...need more radial-engine planes...Wildcat, TBD Devastator, Skyraider all pique my interest.  The Thunderbolt isn't all that difficult to handle on the ground, actually.  It wants to wander up and down a lot in flight.  Have to keep attention on attitude constantly to fly it level.  Can't put your head down in the cockpit flipping switches.  Gotta have eyes out maintaining attitude.  I wonder if the real one flies that way.

 

 Andrew, I couldn't agree more! In fact, I could have written most of your post. My only disagreement would be about Vietnam. I was there. It was a terrible war that served no purpose. Counting civilians, various estimates claim 3.4 million to 3.8 million people were killed, including about 56,000 GIs. For what?

 

That said, I love the DCS prop jobs and especially the P-47. I've been writing historically accurate (within the limits of DCS) missions for it under by nom de plume tttiger. My favorite uncle was the adjutant of the 406th Fighter Group all across Europe. I met many of the surviving pilots at a reunion about 30 years ago. These were the guys who rescued the 101st ABN at Bastogne. Lesson: Never scoff at an old man sitting on a park bench. He may have amazing tales to tell.

 

Like you, I fly only off line. I got fed up with all the nonsense of on line play. But I try not to criticize those who would rather furball than recreate history. To each his own.

 

Great post! Thank you!

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Personally, I love the P-47. It's a great module and very fun to fly.
I have been waiting with getting into WW2 for technical reasons: my PC can't handle the large unit counts in Normandy/Channel, and spotting units and correctly identifying them in a Rift CV1 is not that easy, especially when the frame rates are low and there's stuttering.
Things should get better once I have upgraded my system. I am looking forward to flying Reflected's P-47 campaign 🙂

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Completly aggreed 

Rubharb rubharb!! and a lot of ground attack missions were sheduled to the Jug.

That was the life of a ww2 P47D pilot.

And sometimes escort bombers

P51D was prefered because his long range.

To do this in a mission the Normandy and Channel maps are realistic enough.

Anyway over vietnam or over normandy the missions was same:

Ground attacks.
The plane is not a fighter,in fact is a fighter-bomber.

I don't think a mission has to be full realistic to please.Just have not to be a stuff where the Jug wasn't engaged(i mean without fox1 fox2 fox3).

If you want to fight a 109 so take a spitfire or a P51D.

If you want to destroy armored vehicule,bridges,building and so...The spitfire is the worst...and The Jug is the best.

The P47D is my favorite plane and i would be very glad to share some missions to play multiplayer.

I'm waiting you here

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I've got a lot of interest in this aircraft but my reason for not purchasing is less about the aircraft and more about everything else. I' m tossing up on whether to buy the P-47 or the F-5E at the moment. I'd probably prefer the P-47 but after having bought most of the other modules I just find with most of them I get the aircraft then have no use for it due to lack of single player content.

 

Multiplayer is of little interest to me. I enjoy really good campaigns and there's a few out there (looking at you Reflected) but then comes the other thing with the WW2 aircraft. You need to buy the associated map and assets and I suspect the focus will go on the channel map for this aircraft, or a combination of channel and normandy and I have no intention of buying the Channel Map, therefore will probably not bother with the P-47.

 

In saying that, I had a go with the P-47 earlier on with this free to try thing we've got going on and really liked the aircraft. It seems to me it's probably the best WW2 aircraft in DCS and is way ahead of the P-47 on offer in a certain competitor sim. Unfortunately there's only so much free flying I can do and making decent missions myself takes time I don't have.

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I am dedicating most of my time this free period to trying to learn the Jug.  It is one of my all time favorite planes but I am having a few issues.  Cowl Flaps seem to be most of them from what I am reading.  I very much so WANT to want to buy this module, so I will take the next two weeks to see if I can figure it out.  Any tips are appreciated.

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It's fantastic, the best WWII plane ED has done IMHO. No strange ground-physics, easy to land & take-off, super nice cockpit & sounds. My whole squad is getting it thanks to "free to play" event.

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