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J 11A

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J 11A radar Pero ESA

 

 

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The Pero, developed by NIIP and Ryazan GRPZ, is a reflective space feed passive phased array antenna (PESA), replacing the legacy Cassegrain design. It is lighter than the legacy design, yet offers similar beamsteering agility to the latest Western AESAs.

This low cost phased array block upgrade package designated Pero ('Plume'), was designed by NIIP jointly with Ryazan GRPZ. This lightweight design avoids the cost and complexity of the backplane fed BARS (N011M) phased array, instead using a space (optical) feed scheme, and reflective rather than transmissive phase elements, a technique used with the 64N6E Big Bird SAM system radar.

 

The design incorporates the passive phase element array, and a strut supported boom which mounts the X-band waveguide and radiating horn. Cost is comparable to the existing Su-27S/SK Cassegrain antenna, weight is lower. The launch customer was to be the RuAF, but reports indicate one of the two prototypes was sent to China for evaluation. The Pero will provide the beam steering agility of modern Western AESAs, but with lower cost and transmit power ratings, and is likely to appear in regional MLUs later over the coming decade. An open question is whether a future Pero based block upgrade would include the 20 kiloWatt Irbis-E transmitter, as engineering the space feed for a 20 kiloWatt rated transmitter is neither difficult nor expensive. While a 20 kiloWatt Pero system would have inferior receiver sensitivity due to the space feed loss, compared to the BARS hybrid array, it would be significantly cheaper to build and deploy en masse, and likely offer better power aperture product performance due to lower antenna feed losses in the transmit path.

 

 

N001VEP's Twist cassegrain antenna replaced the new Pero passive phased array antenna, developed by NIIP and Ryazan GRPZ.[2] The radar simultaneously engage 6 aerial targets, or 4 ground targets, and Extended up to 190 km detection range against fighter. Also called "Panda".


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No, just a new HDD for J11A

 

I was talking about the video, it's a real image from Belarus MiG-29BM, you can clearly see MiG's shape, and also, БАРАНОВИЧИ is in Belarus

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well, in russia, Su27 and Mig29 share same type of HDD

 

Dou you even read what I say? I'm talking about MiG-29BM, upgraded version for Belarus

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Hi,

it's still under negotiation, and our current focus is JF-17.

but here i would like to have something to share with you, enjoy :)

 

 

Thank you, I hope you can get it through so DCS community can get something more modern on the other side of the coin. 51st would be more then happy to pay for it. Let me know if you need someone to make you a trailer for the announcement, It would be my pleasure to make it for J-11.


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Thank you, I hope you can get it through so DCS community can get something more modern on the other side of the coin. 51st would be more then happy to pay for it. Let me know if you need someone to make you a trailer for the announcement, It would be my pleasure to make it for J-11.

 

Hi Teknetinium,

Thanks for the support. We will try our best to make and deliver it

 

Hi uboats, can we have a roadmap for the J-11A?

 

Hi Satarosa,

Sorry, we don't have the roadmap for J-11A, since our main focus is JF-17 now.

And J-11A is FC3 level (how it will appear) which needs ED's decision.

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Could you upgrade the radar range like the real one?

 

 

J-11A ( 1998 )

N001VE "Panda Project"

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Range*: ~ 120km

Azimut scan: -60°/+60° <120°

Elevation scan : -55°/+55° <110°

 

*Effective detection range in the best conditions on a fighter (HOT)


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Could you upgrade the radar range like the real one?

 

 

J-11A ( 1998 )

N001VE "Panda Project"

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Range*: ~ 120km

Azimut scan: -60°/+60° <120°

Elevation scan : -55°/+55° <110°

 

*Effective detection range in the best conditions on a fighter (HOT)

 

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Could you upgrade the radar range like the real one?

 

 

J-11A ( 1998 )

N001VE "Panda Project"

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Range*: ~ 120km

Azimut scan: -60°/+60° <120°

Elevation scan : -55°/+55° <110°

 

*Effective detection range in the best conditions on a fighter (HOT)

 

What’s your source on the ranges??

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Did you know?

 

No I don’t, because modern radar performance data is controlled. So what we have in the sim is just a representation.

 

My point being ED has access to the same public sources you listed, as well as non-public sources, Like SMEs for example. So with that in mind they have tuned the in game radar performance.

 

I seriously doubt they’re gonna change anything without actual technical documentation to reference or first hand knowledge.

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Data

 

Being myself military and without pretensions exaggerated, expert in a lot of field, I can say that in general what is classified is not the performance, but the materials used and system of operation and software.

As I explained the documentation on the performance of this radar on the Russian and Chinese websites is very complete, no need to be part of the zone 51 to have access to the maximum detection values. (on a "fighter" 4m2)

 

It is a simulation game so according to the information available to the public it would be nice to increase a little radar detection range N001VE of the J-11A to match the reality.

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To have them change anything you need to prove to the Devs why it should be changed. ED doesn’t really like guessing.

 

So if you have some special knowledge or documentation that we are all not privileged with go ahead and PM them. They’ll absolutely improve the sim. But they are absolutely not going to take ausairpowers word for it.

 

They need 100 percent creditable sources, the publically available information is usually not reliable. Especially when we’re talking performance and capability.


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You know if we analyze each module of DCS WORLD well we realize that a lot of freedom and simplification have been taken from the developer, so I do not agree with the fact that the documentation must be submitted by a senior member of the army specialized in this specific sector, with official mention and stamps.

 

I try to improve the game and the experience of a real simulation to give values that are controlled and findable on the Internet by public.

 

I invite people and developers to do more research to improve the gaming experience and to have a more advanced simulation.

 

most copy-paste and simplify systems have been done simply for ease of development not for lack of documentation, we must make the nuance with that!

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sorry for the late update,

thanks for the info.

N001VE should be able to attack two at same time.

But AFAIK, negative for j-11a.

from online resources, confirmed is that 001VE installed on PLAAF Su-30, but not sure for j-11a

j-11a has several upgrades, so we may use early-mid term upgrade as reference with new MFD and R-77 compatibility. We will also modify DL a bit.

 

If you have more info from solid source, we would like to consider modify the performance.

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Nin Hao uboats

 

 

 

 

SU-27 ( 1985 ) using a N001 "Myech", with *Dect Range: ~ 110km, Azi scan: -60°/+60° <120° Elev sacn:-60°/+60° <120°

 

 

J-11A ( 1998 ) using a N001VE "Panda Project", with *Dect Range: ~ 120km, Azi scan: -60°/+60° <120° Elev sacn:-55°/+55° <110°

 

 

 

* The maximum detection of the radars is here calculated on the surface of an F-15C (4 m²) coming "HOT", in the best optimum conditions for the use of the radar)

 

 

So we find that in reality there are two different radars.. Unfortunately INGAME currently we have the values of the Sukhoi 27 radar !

 

 

The radar of J-11A is clearly superior to the radar of SU-27!

 

 

Check this:

 

https://books.google.be/books?id=Kt2ZaOilGXIC&pg=PA240&lpg=PA240&dq=N001VE&source=bl&ots=vRFTbL_IG_&sig=rzzPiE88s_-6kolk3ynQLBBx-DI&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjki7ebrdLeAhVBJ1AKHZWrBwM4ChDoATAGegQIABAB#v=onepage&q=N001VE&f=false

 

 

https://www.aviationsmilitaires.net/v2/base/view/Model/628.html

 

" 第一个中文版J-11A有一个N001VE雷达,可以同时接合2个目标。 它有4个多功能显示器,显然是头盔取景器。 第一架J-11飞机达到了这个标准。"

 

https://ruslet.webnode.cz/technika/cinska-technika/letecka-technika/stihaci-letouny/j-11-flanker-/

 

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11

 

 

....

 

 

 

 

 

You will see that all the sources in internet will tell you that the J-11A has N001VE "Panda Project"

 

Sources are often of different languages use the translator of your choice..

 

 

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