Persian Gulf Map Discussion

Hi folks,

From the map that Wags has posted I assume the airfields shown are the ones we‘re getting, at least in the initial release. Question: If so, is there a specific point in time that the map will be based on?

To avoid any confusion and be as transparent as possible, this image shows most of the map.

 

The general operations area for the carrier groups would be in the Arabian Sea.

The reason why I am asking is because I am looking for navigation and ground charts of the airfields in question and the time is important to find the appropriate charts in terms of magnetic runway bearings (which change over time as you know).

Now I noticed that none of the bearings shown there for the localizer beams correspond to current magnetic values (most of them off by 1 or 2 degrees). They also do not correspond to the true bearings either.

Examples:

Sharjah Intl (OMSJ):

123° as per Wags screenshot

120.57° (~121°) magnetic/122.37° true as per OM AIP 30-MAR-2017 (MagVar 1.8°E, est. 2012)

Al Maktoum Intl (OMDW):

122° as per Wags screenshot

119° magnetic/121° true as per OM AIP 30-MAR-2017 (MagVar 2°E, est. 2017)

This one is a good benchmark since the airport is relatively new, being published in AIP for the first time in 2011, back then with a MagVar of 1.6°E (MagVar established in 2008 )

Bandar Abbass Intl (OIKB):

208° as per Wags screenshot

206° magnetic/207.77° true as per OI AIP 15-SEP-2016 (MagVar 2°E, est. 2014)

Here "Wags bearing" nearly resembles the official true bearing.

Maybe it is way to early to ask this detail question but I assume at least the true bearings of the runways in DCS SOH map will match the real true bearings, so it is all just a question of which magnetic variation applies.

Sorry for this long story about a short question. Looking for appropriate aeronautical charts for the SoH map is just my humble way of bridging the time gap until it's going to be released :smilewink:

Cheers,

Christian

Thanks SiThSpAwN. So I‘ll try with the best charts I can find and see if they work for me. Eventually I might post my collection in the User file section then, provided they work and there are no copyright issues.

There was talk of this map being released as a "Package" with The Upcoming Hornet....Any more info on that? Thank You.

A question to the testers in case they know and are at liberty to answer. If i am not mistaken, ED's map building tools and techniques are in constant development and thus each new map should be more detailed and advanced than the ones that came before. So i reckon the new Caucasus will be better on various fronts than NTTR in its current iteration. SoH would then be even better than the 2.5 Caucasus version.

Now, NTTR looks realy amazing overall. For helicopter pilots though, hovering over the ground at a couple of feet, the terrains flatness and close up low texture quality really shows.

First, do you have any info whether SoH will be build with new techniques or engine enhancements that give more grainularity to the ground (small rocks, holes, cracks etc. generally more uneven/rugged surface) including HD textures when looking from 2-1 meters height?

If that is the case, might we see this transferred over to NTTR at some later point as well?

Maybe it is way to early to ask this detail question but I assume at least the true bearings of the runways in DCS SOH map will match the real true bearings, so it is all just a question of which magnetic variation applies.

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Will your (Virtual) guys be transferring to the hornet or will you stick with the A-10C

Nice screenshot Phantom88, where was that first posted?

Here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3314801&postcount=36

I am speechless. This map looks so real, really can't wait to DCS 2.5 and SoH map

Will your (Virtual) guys be transferring to the hornet or will you stick with the A-10C

 

Nice screenshot Phantom88, where was that first posted?

Add a Hornet Squadron, it won’t replace the A-10.

Until now we have seen the modern Gulf state cities, and oil refineries, harbours and bases, my request is, can we see small towns and villages?

Until now we have seen the modern Gulf state cities, and oil refineries, harbours and bases, my request is, can we see small towns and villages?

The interesting part is the rural areas, that resemble "actual" conflict zones.

We crave for anything like Iraq, Kuwait, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Jemen, Libya/Egypt, Mali or maybe just Balkans, Falklands, Panama, or even Vietnam...

As nice as SoH is, some 500km to the north and west, would have been bulls-eye!

Is there a reason to absolutely omit any real life conflict zones?

+1 rarely will we see attacks and bomb runs on the Burj-el-Arab or Dubai in general.

 

The interesting part is the rural areas, that resemble "actual" conflict zones.

 

We crave for anything like Iraq, Kuwait, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Jemen, Libya/Egypt, Mali or maybe just Balkans, Falklands, Panama, or even Vietnam...

 

As nice as SoH is, some 500km to the north and west, would have been bulls-eye!

 

Is there a reason to absolutely omit any real life conflict zones?

DCS is a "sandbox" (no SOH pun intended)

It's GI Joe with wings and rotors. Aside from "-ish" locations, there's nothing entirely accurate about anything in DCS. I personally think that's one of the really cool things about it.

Mustangs over Nevada? Ok...

MiGs and Eagles over Normandy? Sure...

I think SOH is going to be an awesome playground.

DCS is a "sandbox" (no SOH pun intended)

 

It's GI Joe with wings and rotors. Aside from "-ish" locations, there's nothing entirely accurate about anything in DCS. I personally think that's one of the really cool things about it.

Mustangs over Nevada? Ok...

MiGs and Eagles over Normandy? Sure...

 

I think SOH is going to be an awesome playground.

No problem with flying Bf.109 over Iran or MiG-29 against Mustangs over Vietnam...

Just that a lot of people would be gladly setting up a Gulf War scenario with Iraq and Kuwait on the map than Dubai and Abu-Dabi, a COIN scenario may come easier and more convincing on an Afghanistan map, than Nevada and Normandy.

And Jungle warfare in Normandy or Caucasus lacks a bit compared to Vietnam as a setting for my sandbox.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy for every map we get, yet I can't always follow the decision process on the exact area... Especially with Strait of Hormuz as it would have been so great to have Iraq/Kuwait border with the AV-8B and F-18C naval ops coming...

+1 rarely will we see attacks and bomb runs on the Burj-el-Arab or Dubai in general.

 

The interesting part is the rural areas, that resemble "actual" conflict zones.

 

We crave for anything like Iraq, Kuwait, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Jemen, Libya/Egypt, Mali or maybe just Balkans, Falklands, Panama, or even Vietnam...

 

As nice as SoH is, some 500km to the north and west, would have been bulls-eye!

 

Is there a reason to absolutely omit any real life conflict zones?

I second that, +1

I don't want to enter in a discussion about SOH being relevant or not, ED made a decision and thats what we will get, I simply want pictures of the rural areas, villages, towns, the roads that connect those villages, crop fields and orchards, etc...

Please post such pictures ED, Is Christmas eve today!

Yes, no problem with that. But could you imagine the sales for a Syria map? Or Iraq/Iran/Kuwait? ...

Some may call that war profetering, a country may also be less forgiving in allowing such modelling if it's also dealing with an active civil war. ED wisely tries to stay out of politics (also for their ties with various government (sponsored) companies.

It's been said in this thread dozens of times that the Straight of Hormuz has always been a hotspot (historically), with very relevant countries nearby who are in (indirect) conflicts at the moment.

I think they've made a choice for a potential hotspot, which also allows us mission builders to model actual hotspots in the rural area's.

Just my 2cts.:music_whistling:

Some may call that war profetering, a country may also be less forgiving in allowing such modelling if it's also dealing with an active civil war. ED wisely tries to stay out of politics (also for their ties with various government (sponsored) companies.

 

It's been said in this thread dozens of times that the Straight of Hormuz has always been a hotspot (historically), with very relevant countries nearby who are in (indirect) conflicts at the moment.

 

I think they've made a choice for a potential hotspot, which also allows us mission builders to model actual hotspots in the rural area's.

 

Just my 2cts.:music_whistling:

-Iran/Iraq war 1980, some 37 years ago.

-Gulf War (Kuwait) early 1990ies nearly 30 years ago.

-Gulf War II 2003 some 15 years ago.

-Libyan war 2011 some 6 years ago.

-Russian Afghanistan war 1979 over 38 years ago.

-War on Terror Afghanistan 2001 some 16 years ago.

-Vietnam war 1955 some 70 years ago.

So you mean with Strait of Hormuz ED is trying to prophesize a Dubai/Iran clash in the Strait of Hormuz?

I can agree Jemen and Syria may not be the best of choices, in terms of affected people, but if using potential conflict zones is prophecy then Caucasus/Georgia or Strait of Hormuz isn't sensibly at all.

As I said, I am happy for any new map, but from a market perspective I am sure either Iran/Iraq/Kuwait or Afghanistan have a huge potential, with Afghanistan catering Western and russian customers...

And I have never heard any complaints about the scenarios coming with the Caucasus map recreating a fictious version of the Georgian/Ossetian conflict or the Black Shark "Deployment" campaign resembling events like the founding of a "Caucasus Emirate" by chechen terrorists around their leader Doku Umarow in the northern Russian caucasus region.

On the contrary, it gave the campaigns credibility and a good background, though the individual missions aren't necessarily related to real world missions.

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What I really meant that it's been a hotspot, not an actual large scale war zone as per the examples you've given. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for any of those area's to get modelled into the game.

I just hypothesized they chose NOT to model one of those area's because they could get flak for modelling politically difficult war zones.

I don't want to enter in a discussion about SOH being relevant or not

But that's the last I'll say from my point of view on it.. :D

Any chance to add the Sir Abu Nu´Ayr island to the Persan Gulf Map?

All islands present are inside Iran border limits and this island belongs to UAE and also has a small runway and a little harbour. Is perfect for a Range location to train.

You mean this one?

Yup.

is already in the map?

Wow, how i miss that, thanks ,mate.