Pilotasso Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Hi guys. I'm ramping up to get a new PC. I would have donne it already if the new AMD CPU's had more mature BIOS and compatible memory kits (see details below). But I was wondering if this CPU is comparable with Intel ones for DCS. Current desirable parts: -Case: PHANTEKS P400S TG part number PH-EC416PSTG_WT -ASUS CROSSHAIR hero VI AM4 motherboard -Ryzen CPU model: TBD -Seasonic Platinum 850W PSU -Memory G-SKILL 32 GB DDR4 RGB@4000+Ghz when they are certified, if not might drop to other Trident-Z 3600 or 3200 kits -Cooler: likely the NZXT Cracken X62 + 4 Corsair 140mm ML static pressure fans for push-pull -Storage: SAMSUNG 960 EVO 1TB -GFX: Vega or 1080 Ti (OMG) So are there any of you out there with this new CPU that would be willing to share his experiences? [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1330 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I am very interested to see some DCS specific comparisons with Ryzen myself. The consensus amongst reviewers is that Ryzen excels at multithreaded tasks, but falls behind the 7700K in single thread performance. Slightly lower IPC and lower clock speeds are the culprit. Knowing DCS is very single thread heavy, this would lead to a prediction that performance in DCS will be lower than a 7700K. Given that the Ryzen 7 series are priced similarly to the 7700K, the safe bet sounds to still be with Intel. However, I'm very interested to see how much the difference will be. When the 6 and 4 core Ryzens come out, they will be much cheaper than the 7700K. If performance is close, it may prove a better value option. Not to mention the AM4 platform probably has more future expandability than LGA1151... Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Asus Crosshair VI Hero X370 / Corsair H110i / Sapphire Nitro+ 6800XT / 32Gb G.Skill TridentZ 3200 / Samsung 980 Pro M.2 / Virpil Warbrd base + VFX and TM grips / Virpil CM3 Throttle / Saitek Pro Combat pedals / Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motley Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Yes! I recently built a new rig. I have the Asus CH6. Asus has been coming out with new BIOS, like two in just the past week. And the latest 1001 BIOS is very good. My memory with the other BIOS versions was only running at 2666mhz stable. But the new BIOS I'm at 3225mhz now. I have my 1700 Ryzen running at 4.0GHz with 1.43v. I'm using the H110i AIO cooler. This thing is a BEAST! I highly recommend using Ryzen for DCS. DCS is well coded, and seems to be using more than just one thread. I see usage on DCS in one thread though being used more. And DCS process isn't even making my Ryzen sweat. Its only using about 15% CPU using right now. I could use photoship, video encoding, watch 4k Youtube videos, etc. All with DCS running at the same time. And Ryzen handles it with ease. Edited March 19, 2017 by Motley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motley Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Here's some pic of my new Ryzen system. Next week I'm getting a new 32" 4k IPS monitor, and a 1080GTX as well. Case is the Corsair 760T custom painted yellow/black theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yes! I recently built a new rig. I have the Asus CH6. Asus has been coming out with new BIOS, like two in just the past week. And the latest 1001 BIOS is very good. My memory with the other BIOS versions was only running at 2666mhz stable. But the new BIOS I'm at 3225mhz now. I have my 1700 Ryzen running at 4.0GHz with 1.43v. I'm using the H110i AIO cooler. This thing is a BEAST! I highly recommend using Ryzen for DCS. DCS is well coded, and seems to be using more than just one thread. I see usage on DCS in one thread though being used more. And DCS process isn't even making my Ryzen sweat. Its only using about 15% CPU using right now. I could use photoship, video encoding, watch 4k Youtube videos, etc. All with DCS running at the same time. And Ryzen handles it with ease. where do you get the 1001 BIOS? I only see 902 on their official site: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/ glad to hear about your experience. One step closer to final selection. :) [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motley Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 where do you get the 1001 BIOS? I only see 902 on their official site: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/ glad to hear about your experience. One step closer to final selection. :) There's a big thread on the Overlock.net site. Elmor the OP is an Asus Engineer. Go here (all the BIOS versions links on on the first page). http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread I would highly reccomend the 1700 Ryzen, since there is really no reason to the 1800X or 1700X, when you can OC the 1700 to 4GHz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Awsome thx [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 100 : 16 = 7.5 ---> What you see is DCS using up 2 cores Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motley Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 100 : 16 = 7.5 ---> What you see is DCS using up 2 cores Hmm ok then. But the usage I was seeing in DCS was very low, like 15% usage in those threads. Do you know if DCS, when they merge 1.5 and 2.0 versions, will they be using more cores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haukka81 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Hmm ok then. But the usage I was seeing in DCS was very low, like 15% usage in those threads. Do you know if DCS, when they merge 1.5 and 2.0 versions, will they be using more cores? Nope, will be 2 cores. Sent when im drunk with my iphone near me :) Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadwell Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 and really only 1 core... like 1.5% on a second core just for sound... could have a 400mhz pentium 3 for the 2nd core... My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiromachi Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Either way it would be nice if you could post some data on the performance and component utilization/temperatures (rivatuner/msi afterburner or whatever other program provides such details). Video would be preferable but I know not everyone has time for this kind of stuff. Also, interesting thing is the fact that most games cant utilize even 6 cores / 12 threads so little difference might be between R5 1600X and R7 1800X: Except of course for the price - half of the 1800X and for some extremely multi-threaded applications. R5 1600X at 4.1 Ghz might be extremely good alternative to Intel since for the price of i5 7600k one can get it. AMD Ryzen 5900X @ 4.95 Ghz / Asus Crosshair VII X470 / 32 GB DDR4 3600 Mhz Cl16 / Radeon 6800XT / Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD / Creative SoundBlaster AE-9 / HP Reverb G2 / VIRPIL T-50CM / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Audio Technica ATH-MSR7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motley Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Well Battlefiled 1 Multiplayer uses all 16 threads, specially in 64 player games. There might only be a few games now that can use 16 threads. But there will be more in the future utilizing them. Also Photo editing, video encoding, 4k videos, etc. The Ryzen is a beast with all those! I can load up Doom, Photoshop, Youtube 4k videos all at the same time, and Ryzen handles it easily without a sweat. Here's some screenshots with some data you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 and really only 1 core... like 1.5% on a second core just for sound... could have a 400mhz pentium 3 for the 2nd core... :megalol: Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 my FX8350 does all that easily as well.. for what it's worth. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nWIng Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 well, the developer of our dear ed boyz said the multi core support is useless... :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kn5 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is there any possibility to perform benchmark in DCS? that different users will be able to compare? I would like to compare my FX8350 to for example X1700 @ 4GHz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiromachi Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 well, the developer of our dear ed boyz said the multi core support is useless... :\ When ? Where ? How so ? Edit: @up Thanks, nvm questions than. AMD Ryzen 5900X @ 4.95 Ghz / Asus Crosshair VII X470 / 32 GB DDR4 3600 Mhz Cl16 / Radeon 6800XT / Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD / Creative SoundBlaster AE-9 / HP Reverb G2 / VIRPIL T-50CM / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Audio Technica ATH-MSR7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Has been discussed several times in the forum. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'd love to see a direct DCS comparison between an intel I7 (sandybridge up) and Zen. Somebody out there must be in that position. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'd love to see a direct DCS comparison between an intel I7 (sandybridge up) and Zen. Somebody out there must be in that position. +1 ...just which GPU to refer to as well ? 1080 or 1070 as a "default" maybe ?? If I had the parts I'd do it just out of curiosity :P Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadwell Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) +1 ...just which GPU to refer to as well ? 1080 or 1070 as a "default" maybe ?? If I had the parts I'd do it just out of curiosity :P I'd like to see a 7700K or better overclocked to 5GHz with a reasonably inexpensive AIO water cooler and a 1080ti vs ryzen also with 32gb of the same speed and latency ram, both running on m.2 SSDs the 7700K is like 449$ CDN right now, and the 1800X is 669$, so... bah probly not gonna happen... also i think comparing a sandy to a current i7 or zen cpu, they'll kick its ass... even a sandy overclocked to 4.5ghz probly won't beat either... Edited March 21, 2017 by Hadwell My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 A OCed sandy won't beat it but I'm interested to know if it's worth the outlay? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'd like to see a 7700K or better overclocked to 5GHz with a reasonably inexpensive AIO water cooler and a 1080ti vs ryzen also i think comparing a sandy to a current i7 or zen cpu, they'll kick its ass... even a sandy overclocked to 4.5ghz probly won't beat either... The 2600k looses each and every battle vs the 7700k if you unleash both and let the 7700k oc as well, at least to some extend. At 5G it smokes it, even with the Sandy at 5G ! IPC wise the difference is roughly 200 Points in Passmark v9. 2800 vs. 3000 Points, both 5G. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlander Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Well..expected 100%.. More interested in wether ryzen 1600 is a good upgrade for dcs from a 3570k (thinking about the vr experience..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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