What PC should I build?

I purchased a gtx 1070 video card but that is all so far because I don’t know what mobo, cpu or ram to get. I was going to get the ryzen 7 2700x but I only play to games on my computer. FSX and DCS. DCS is apparently single thread and I’m not sure what FSX is but do I need that big of a processor? Do I need a top of the line motherboard? What ram do I choose? I have been searching for a week or so now watching YouTube videos and reviews all over the web. It’s pretty much just a daily PC and to use for DCS and FSX. Suggestions?

I purchased a gtx 1070 video card but that is all so far because I don’t know what mobo, cpu or ram to get. I was going to get the ryzen 7 2700x but I only play to games on my computer. FSX and DCS. DCS is apparently single thread and I’m not sure what FSX is but do I need that big of a processor? Do I need a top of the line motherboard? What ram do I choose? I have been searching for a week or so now watching YouTube videos and reviews all over the web. It’s pretty much just a daily PC and to use for DCS and FSX. Suggestions?

DCS is *not* single-threaded (or 2-threaded) and hasn't been for a long time, but 4 cores is sufficient. It shares the load about equally on all 4 cores. For DCS you need a high clock speed (4.0 GHz or faster).

Core i3-8350K is a great choice and great for your GTX 1070, get an overclocking motherboard and you can run it at faster speeds than that. Fairly inexpensive, great-performing CPU. More expensive processors will *not* perform better--performance in DCS, as with many/most other games, is directly tied to CPU clock speed. Again, 4.0 GHz (or above) is good. I don't know anything about AMD Ryzen ones, but if you get one of those, get one with 4 cores and the highest possible clock speed.

You need 16GB of RAM (2 modules, 8GB each for dual-channel operation). Some people like 32GB, but 16GB is enough. More than 16 might be good if you like enormous multiplayer missions. You don't need the most expensive, fast memory, but you *do* need enough of it :)

I have great results with 16GB of DDR4 3000 Mhz, but RAM speed doesn't affect performance in DCS too much.

Storage: You NEED an SSD. Yes, you do :) An NVMe (ultra-fast, 3000+ MB/sec reads) M.2 drive is really nice, but a SATA 3 one will do.

An appropriate case and PSU and you're good to go--about 500 Watts or a bit more should do fine, the GTX 1070 is pretty easy on electricity.

Let the flame wars begin ;)

AD

AD's advice will suffice for DCS's current requirements, however, ED plans and currently works on Vulkan API for DCS and that will us emore than 4 cores, plenty more actually. The question is, how much money are you willing to sink in a rig and how long shall it last.

Taking your 1070 as a measurement, you either aim for 1080p or max 1440p gameplay and 16GB will limit your options on what you can play and how hard you stress you PageFile. When you build new, 32GB is the recommended size. Since it can be real tricky to add another 16GB later on, it ois a wise idea to buy 32GB in 1 pack that matches and runs as intended.

The Ryzen you mentioned is great, couple that with preferably 32GB of supported RAM 3000 - 3200MHz, plug in your 1070 and hook it all up to a 650w Plainum PSU and you will be fine.

Take a board that fits your wallet, they all do about the same. Rather get a B450 and 32GB than a X470 with 16GB. It is easier and cheaper to replace the board if needed than to add another 16GB, ending up buying a full32GB kit and having 16 left over. Seen that.

The cores will have you covered when Vulkan comes out or if you use many gadgets aside DCS like TiR, Discord, Streaming to YT, VR, etc...

32GB will allow you to play any mission and online, 16GB has its known limits.

You really really need at least 1 SSD for DCS.

If your worried of 'loading times' than yes you'll want an SSD.

In game performance does not differ between an SSD and a traditional HDD. In the end one will be spending more time in game than loading of it.

What PC should I build?

one will be spending more time in game than loading of it.

good point. most people forget all about this.

If your worried of 'loading times' than yes you'll want an SSD.

 

 

 

In game performance does not differ between an SSD and a traditional HDD. In the end one will be spending more time in game than loading of it.

I wouldn't bet on that.

There are dozens, really plenty, threads and posts that state the exact opposite.

You will find yourself pretty alone with this statement once you fly online and crank it all up.

There is, 100% opposite to your opinion, almost no way around any kind of SSD for DCS.

Heck, why would anybody who buys modules and maps for a heck a lot of money not invest in

a SSD, that is beyond me.

I wouldn't bet on that.

 

There are dozens, really plenty, threads and posts that state the exact opposite.

 

You will find yourself pretty alone with this statement once you fly online and crank it all up.

 

There is, 100% opposite to your opinion, almost no way around any kind of SSD for DCS.

 

Heck, why would anybody who buys modules and maps for a heck a lot of money not invest in

 

a SSD, that is beyond me.

Who'd buy at full price rather than wait for a sale? (which happens more often than not) Not me.

Running without an SSD and no issue/s. When the price for them becomes comparable to a HDD (same size) then I may give it some thought.

Who'd buy at full price rather than wait for a sale? (which happens more often than not) Not me.

Running without an SSD and no issue/s. When the price for them becomes comparable to a HDD (same size) then I may give it some thought.

That might be the case because you've never encountered a situation where you would have an advantage with a SSD over a HDD. Stop spreading this nonsense about SSD having zero influence on the game performance, it can clearly have. I've owned both while flying DCS, you on the other hand not. I've explained it to you in another thread two times already, yet you keep saying this.

That might be the case because you've never encountered a situation where you would have an advantage with a SSD over a HDD. Stop spreading this nonsense about SSD having zero influence on the game performance, it can clearly have. I've owned both while flying DCS, you on the other hand not. I've explained it to you in another thread two times already, yet you keep saying this.

:thumbup:

That might be the case because you've never encountered a situation where you would have an advantage with a SSD over a HDD. Stop spreading this nonsense about SSD having zero influence on the game performance, it can clearly have. I've owned both while flying DCS, you on the other hand not. I've explained it to you in another thread two times already, yet you keep saying this.

And you're sure of that?

Where is the op?

I wouldn't bet on that.

 

 

 

There are dozens, really plenty, threads and posts that state the exact opposite.

 

 

 

You will find yourself pretty alone with this statement once you fly online and crank it all up.

 

 

 

There is, 100% opposite to your opinion, almost no way around any kind of SSD for DCS.

 

 

 

Heck, why would anybody who buys modules and maps for a heck a lot of money not invest in

 

 

 

a SSD, that is beyond me.

Rather than starting a new thread, I was looking for some ssd drive management advice, with the latest OB iteration.

Currently I run Win10 (latest build) on Samsung PCIe M.2 C:/ drive. Therefore, DCS puts the Saved Games folder there. I run DCS on my Samsung 850 pro sata 6 SSD E:/ drive. So I assume when playing the sim, it is constantly accessing the Saved Games folder (E: to C:, C: to E:).

Would it be feasible to co-locate the Saved Games folder with DCS on E:/, then link this through the Properties/Location tab so it becomes the default? Does it make much difference?

Cheers!

i5-6600k, asus strix z270 mobo, 32gb ram

if, than keeping them on diff locations will benefit your rig. Putting it all on 1 channel will work too as both drives are speedy enough but there is no need to do anything the way you have it.

And you're sure of that?

Do I come off as someone misleading people on purpose on a flight simulator forum? I had both systems, with a HDD and a SSD. You can even understand it with just some common sense on how the parts interact with each other (including the software, in this case "DCS"). You can get disgusting stutters because you're using a HDD instead of a SSD. This is literally the third time that I alone are explaining this to you in last two weeks, Bitmaster did aswell. If you still gonna insist on your statement then go ahead and discredit yourself right away.

Uaaahhh, this is a repeating lesson every other week I am afraid

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The framerate using HDD vs SSD is the same when you sit still in one spot yes, however flying around, loading the map/using mission editor or switching in external views there are huge differences in stutter.

The framerate using HDD vs SSD is the same when you sit still in one spot yes, however flying around, loading the map/using mission editor or switching in external views there are huge differences in stutter.

10/10 points. That's like the 7th post response he got to explain that having a HDD versus SSD does make a difference ingame. Maybe he will claim again that it makes no difference in another thread spreading the lies, wait for it.

What PC should I build?

it’s not clear to people because you say one thing and the fps indicator says another.

in the day and age of fake news, who should we believe? an anonymous internet poster? or the computer?

it’s not clear to people because you say one thing and the fps indicator says another.

It is clear after people have explained it to him more than 5 times, if you would've read my post you would've known it is not the first time I wrote him this. And it isn't really about the FPS indicator since you can't really see it there if you get the microstutters or stutters because of HDD usage.

It is clear after people have explained it to him more than 5 times, if you would've read my post you would've known it is not the first time I wrote him this. And it isn't really about the FPS indicator since you can't really see it there if you get the microstutters or stutters because of HDD usage.

You need to calm down Der Hirte.

Some are real PC noobs and you have to accept that some people cannot understand what we write as they lack the underlying info needed or just do not want to listen, or any other reason, pick one.

All we can do is give our best knowledge, the rest is up to them.

Wrong statements usually dont live long here as ther eis a hord just waiting to take such commemnts apart, like you and me and a few others..LoL....so yeah,..it's self cleaning in some regards but it remains to the reader to take the hint...or not.

relax man, we cant help them all

You need to calm down Der Hirte.

What this guy is doing is borderline trolling. I surely won't encourage stupid behaviour and clap him on the shoulder. Wait for the guys buying a HDD instead of a SSD because he is spreading the lie that it doesn't make any difference. These are the ones who crash into the mountains in low-level flight WVR or drive into your jet from behind on the taxiway because of their stutters. Or crash onto the deck of the carrier full of human pilots. :lol: No thanks.

What this guy is doing is borderline trolling. I surely won't encourage stupid behaviour and clap him on the shoulder. Wait for the guys buying a HDD instead of a SSD because he is spreading the lie that it doesn't make any difference. These are the ones who crash into the mountains in low-level flight WVR or drive into your jet from behind on the taxiway because of their stutters. Or crash onto the deck of the carrier full of human pilots. :lol: No thanks.

There is some truth to that.

I give you another 5-10 years and by then you might have accepted some need to make their own failures, and some even then dont comply.

But hell yes, get off my tail if you suffer stutter :mad:

I am all for keeping them from buying the wrong stuff, hands down, I totally agree.

There are things one can argue about, 580 vs 1060 or AMD vs Intel, all valid, just the SSD question is not a question, it's actually the only one HAMMERED into stone. It could be that simple, sigh :cry:

Do I come off as someone misleading people on purpose on a flight simulator forum? I had both systems, with a HDD and a SSD. You can even understand it with just some common sense on how the parts interact with each other (including the software, in this case "DCS"). You can get disgusting stutters because you're using a HDD instead of a SSD. This is literally the third time that I alone are explaining this to you in last two weeks, Bitmaster did aswell. If you still gonna insist on your statement then go ahead and discredit yourself right away.

Explains why I haven't. Telling one something is in no way shape or form....make it credible. Again I'm not experiencing any micro stutters at all. None. DCS is on it's own drive on my system.

Explains why I haven't. Telling one something is in no way shape or form....make it credible. Again I'm not experiencing any micro stutters at all. None. DCS is on it's own drive on my system.

Explains why I haven't. Telling one something is in no way shape or form....make it credible. Again I'm not experiencing any micro stutters at all. None. DCS is on it's own drive on my system.

They are not mutually exclusive. I never had micro stutters when i was using HDDs. Never. But it's also idiotic to tell *anyone* to buy traditional HDD these days. Not just DCS, but the prices have come down so much on SSDs.

It's one thing to keep using what you have, I have 8TB HDDs that I'm not just going to throw out, but I'll never put DCS on it. I'm looking for the *best* experience and SSD's ensure that I'll have that.

There was a time when SSH had a barrier to entry because of price and capacity. Those things are no long true.