TJTAS Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm sure this has been asked for before but i think this game desperately needs Civilian aircraft and a civilian (neutral) side. This would mainly be for window dressing. I just think it would add to the atmosphere tremendously. Plus with the scripting talent around here I'm sure someone could link in game Air traffic to the Flightradar24 website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Hrothgar Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 There are a few civilian aircraft in game atm, just not flyable. Someone could certainly script custom ambient ATC comms for them too if they wanted. Some additional AI civy planes would be nice though. Right now all we have are some Russian designs, a few western models for the NTTR map would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJTAS Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 There are a few civilian aircraft in game atm, just not flyable. Someone could certainly script custom ambient ATC comms for them too if they wanted. Some additional AI civy planes would be nice though. Right now all we have are some Russian designs, a few western models for the NTTR map would be good. Only one I'm aware of is the AN-26 (I think it is) what others are there?. I really mean though a basic 747 and an airbus etc. The big thing though is also the need for a 3rd (neutral) party to augment red and blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I don't know of any airlines that would willingly send aircraft through a war zone! I'd prefer to save the system resources to generate targets, not buses in the sky. Just my opinion, but I thought we were here for combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicx Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The idea to have NEUTRAL side or even have factions in addition to FOR and OPFOR would more accurately represent combat operations. I myself just want to add neutral air units and neutral statics so that identification and ROE and things like civilian casualties become important factors. Not interested in just window dressing, more interested in tracking correct procedures and mission objectives achieved. I'm sure someone will make a mod so that people can take off and land from and ... McCarran International Airport in an airliner. It seems an obvious thing people would want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 +1 for neutral side -1 for civilian stuff Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporg Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I believe both a neutral side and civilian aircraft would be good. For one thing it would create more diversity and realism. For another, it could attract a new audience and new 3rd party developers. It seems that no other PC flight simulator at the moment have the depth of flight modeling that DCS have, especially on the helicopter side. Why not attract the guys who would like such a thing, and let their money attract new developers as well? This could in its turn create new mission types and new maps, not to forget more aircraft types, which would benefit everyone. Win-win as I see it. :) PS For civilian aircraft flying into a war zone, there are actually special transport companies/airlines doing exactly that. System specs: Gigabyte Aorus Master, i7 9700K@std, GTX 1080TI OC, 32 GB 3000 MHz RAM, NVMe M.2 SSD, Oculus Quest VR (2x1600x1440) Warthog HOTAS w/150mm extension, Slaw pedals, Gametrix Jetseat, TrackIR for monitor use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Yes, I hadn't considered NTTR. If it can be implemented without everything grinding to a halt, then it would be good. I can hear the howls of derision from the guys with less than optimal rigs though. Definitely needs to be scalable to work of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartuil Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 So much planes in air dont mean more work for CPU? At this moment ED will have to consider multithread no? i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJTAS Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 I myself just want to add neutral air units and neutral statics so that identification and ROE and things like civilian casualties become important factors. Not interested in just window dressing, more interested in tracking correct procedures and mission objectives achieved. This is precisely what I wanted to be able to do. I've been playing around making a Mig-21 patrol mission and I would love to have civilian aircraft for the immersion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 we don't have even cargo planes FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectury Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Only one I'm aware of is the AN-26 (I think it is) what others are there?. I really mean though a basic 747 and an airbus etc. The big thing though is also the need for a 3rd (neutral) party to augment red and blue. There is also the Yak-40 :P EDIT: I don't know of any airlines that would willingly send aircraft through a war zone! I'd prefer to save the system resources to generate targets, not buses in the sky. Just my opinion, but I thought we were here for combat? I'm not a huge fan of civilian aircraft in DCS for the same reasons. Although i have to say I wouldn't be opposed to player controlled military non combat aircraft, such as the C-130, C-17, IL-76, Tankers, Awacs etc.... Could be interesting when flying with squadrons. But military planes should have priority! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] -- i7 4790K -- Club 3D R9 290X Royal Ace SOC -- Asus Maximus VII Ranger -- G.Skill Trident X 16GB DDR3-2400 CL10 -- Gelid Tranquillo rev.2 -- Corsair RM850 -- Corsair 760T White -- Windows 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 +1 to this METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 +1 for neutral side -1 for civilian stuff Agree 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allmighty1 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 yeah i think we need a neutral faction for civi and also u.n. units. i know theres un skins but i think we should have them as a neutral faction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion35 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I don't know of any airlines that would willingly send aircraft through a war zone! I'd prefer to save the system resources to generate targets, not buses in the sky. Just my opinion, but I thought we were here for combat? Except that there are several high-profile incidents of civilian airliners being shot down by fighter jets or SAMs. Just a few years ago there was that civilian airliner that was shot down by a Buk SAM over Crimea, for example, and there was the time back in the 80s when a Soviet Su-15 shot down KAL 007, and I think there was a Libyan or Algerian or Tunisian civilian airline flight to Cairo that got lost and accidentally crossed over into the Sinai Peninsula during the War of Attrition, and the Israeli Air Force mistook it for an Egyptian military transport and shot it down. I'm just saying that these things happen. I don't think that it would consume system resources if they were assets that had to be placed in a mission (unlike civilian car traffic), since it would be up to the mission designers whether to include them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I would like to be able to add neutral anything into missions. Would make them more immersive. Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 we don't have even cargo planes C-130, An-12, Il-76, C-17... What do you think those are? Pinatas? Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Except that there are several high-profile incidents of civilian airliners being shot down by fighter jets or SAMs. Just a few years ago there was that civilian airliner that was shot down by a Buk SAM over Crimea, for example, and there was the time back in the 80s when a Soviet Su-15 shot down KAL 007, and I think there was a Libyan or Algerian or Tunisian civilian airline flight to Cairo that got lost and accidentally crossed over into the Sinai Peninsula during the War of Attrition, and the Israeli Air Force mistook it for an Egyptian military transport and shot it down. I'm just saying that these things happen. I don't think that it would consume system resources if they were assets that had to be placed in a mission (unlike civilian car traffic), since it would be up to the mission designers whether to include them or not. Yes, Even in the theatres we have there's the incident you mentioned on the Caucasus map, and the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian Airbus A300 with 200 people on board in 1988 in Iranian airspace that will be part of the Persian map. ROE regarding civilian aircraft (civilians generally) are a significant aspect of military conflict that is largely ignored in DCS missions. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacleyCole Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 And on the helo side the h-47 I think is the twin rotor USA transport that moves troops and equipment in and out of the war zone. BlackeyCole 20years usaf XP-11. Dcs 2.5OB Acer predator laptop/ i7 7720, 2.4ghz, 32 gb ddr4 ram, 500gb ssd,1tb hdd,nvidia 1080 8gb vram New FlightSim Blog at https://blackeysblog.wordpress.com. Go visit it and leave me feedback and or comments so I can make it better. A new post every Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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