bies Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Is increased pilot G tolerance due to inclined seat going to be modeled? It can be rather important since F-16 relies on high G and turn rate instead of AoA during BFM. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Is increased pilot G tolerance due to inclined seat going to be modeled? It can be rather important since F-16 relies on high G and turn rate instead of AoA during BFM. Cheers Yes it will be, and there is even going to be a system that plugs into your seat, weighting you, an IR scanner, scanning your body shape, correlate the two and reproduce how you would tolerate G's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I think the question meant to ask, will the in game GLOC modelling be any different in this specific module, compared to other modules. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 How do you want it to be different when in the first place it is all interpretations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORC Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Because as you recline the pilot’s seat s/he gains some G tolerance compared to the less reclined seat? So the tolerance should change compared to the Hornet, for instance. Do you use VR? Do you feel sad when you are just a dismbodied set of eyes floating in the cockpit? Check out my list of paid aircraft modules that support the visible virtual pilot body: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 so basically you want ED to make you have a blackout later than on the F/A-18 ? .... you know that G tolerance is also dependent on your fitness level ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 It is possible to adjust the G tolerance for the pilot in each aircraft, so I imagine it will be. so basically you want ED to make you have a blackout later than on the F/A-18 ? .... you know that G tolerance is also dependent on your fitness level ? Of course it is, but given the same fitness level, it is true that the sitting position in the Viper will allow for more G tolerance than the Hornet. It makes sense when you think that the Viper was designed as a 9g fighter, and the Hornet was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper2097 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 If it want to be accurate, the g-tolerance must be risen for the F-16 according to other modules. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 how about also model reclining neck fatigue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 how about also model reclining neck fatigue I've read all Viper pilots had neck problems. The hardest part is looking back. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 so basically you want ED to make you have a blackout later than on the F/A-18 ? .... you know that G tolerance is also dependent on your fitness level ? The pilot we have in DCS needs to hit the gym, then. His G tolerance is laughably low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk2174 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 The one thing I think DCS g lock modeling needs is that over time your ability to not black out when pulling lots of g's degrades. Yes you can probably pull up to 9g's for a couple of turns but after that your bodys ability to resist those kind of forces degrades. It is one thing "that other flight sim" does that is quite realistic imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VZ_342 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 so basically you want ED to make you have a blackout later than on the F/A-18 ? .... you know that G tolerance is also dependent on your fitness level ? Ever see the beach volleyball scene in Top Gun™? That’s how all of us look, we’re at the peak of fitness and all under 30 again! SERVICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlarSnow Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 (edited) Funny story, resting G tolerance is highly dependent on body composition and individual factors, on average its around 5 G's unaided and without a G strain. It can be down as low as 3 G's for a tall skinny person, and as high as 8-9 G's for a shorter fatter person. Its all about blood pressure, less about fitness (for your body's natural unaided G tolerance) A short, fat high blood pressure individual will be far less affected by G's than a tall skinny super fit individual. Women usually have a higher resting G tolerance than men due to the average women being both shorter and having a higher blood pressure than men. Now Fitness and training all come into play because G's and the G strain are physically taxing, and just because you don't pass out, doesn't mean you can continue to function while under G, but a G strain plus the G suit is sufficient to get the vast majority of individuals in any platform up to 8-9 G's. I don't know how much tolerance the Falcons seat gives compared to the G suit and the G strain, but I'll bet its not more than 1.5 G's. happy for any one who knows what it actually gives to correct me on that. Edited May 18, 2019 by KlarSnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 You should try pulling them standing up with a Parachute strapped on, hanging on nothing but a static line cable with an open door next to you, too low for your chute to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creature_1stVFW Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Don't know exactly what the seat being reclined gives in extra tolerance, but I pulled 9.2Gs when I got an incentive ride, and I'll tell ya I was struggling to stay awake!! My pilot, He was in the front seat humming! :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus MOBO||Ryzen 9 3900X 12 Core, 24 Thread Processor || MSI GTX 1070Ti 8GB GPU OverClocked || 32GB GSKILL DDR4 RAM @3600 || Samsung 1TB SSD || Samsung 250GB SSD || WD Caviar Black 2TB HDD || WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD || Thermaltake ToughPower GF1 850W PS || Thermaltake Tower || Windows 10 Pro 64bit || Thrustmaster Warthog and Cougar sticks, throttles and MFDs || Saitek Rudder Pedals || Trackir 5 || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keks Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 The module is not even out and people demanding buffs allready. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkiii Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I have pulled 1 G in an F-16, and it was fine. I don't see what all the fuss is about - it was no worse than pulling 1g in a Mirage or F4. Reclining seat was more comfy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I have pulled 1 G in an F-16, and it was fine. I don't see what all the fuss is about - it was no worse than pulling 1g in a Mirage or F4. Reclining seat was more comfy though. I passed out pulling 1G on my sofa after lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkiii Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I hear ya ;) But in all seriousness - why on earth would they not set up the G tolerance in the same way that they do for other modules, assuming they are not all the same? How is this coded, in a lua file, or in the modules binary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keks Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 There is no reason to change anything G tolerance related. None. Since the seat is one of a metric shitton of factors and most of them are based on the actual pilot this whole thread is laughable at best. Next step would be more in shape DLC pilots with a higher g tolerance, :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bies Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 In case of F-16 incluned seat to increase pilot's G tolerance was an important desigh feature which caused also some drawbacks, similar to thick one piece canopy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-39beeratros Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I heard that the seat is in reality inclined because they couldn't fit it in in 'normal' angle and they made up the whole 'G tolerance' story later. Could be wrong, who knows :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 F-86 has little better G-tolerance than MiG-15 because the G-suit, so it is possible and likely done. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I've read Formula One drivers get almost 5g's when braking. I wonder what they get in the high speed turns? They need to do it for 2 hours too. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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