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Maybe for the other 59,876+ forum members there´s no option to click in that vote, like for example "Never for offline play". :smilewink:

 

Yeah that would have been a nice option to have had for sure

But alas we shall never know, MonnieRock did request that this option be added

to the poll but was refused

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Just to be clear, that is 124 votes out of 60,000+ forums members.

 

It's a bit of a stretch to say there are 60,000 active forum members...given that the viewing numbers are usually in the teens or lower for threads. I Imagine moving the poll from the popular DCS World General section to the seldom viewed Payments and Activation area helped limit the number of votes.

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Either way, 80% of those that voted chose 30, or more, days.

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It's a bit of a stretch to say there are 60,000 active forum members...given that the viewing numbers are usually in the teens or lower for threads. I Imagine moving the poll from the popular DCS World General section to the seldom viewed Payments and Activation area helped limit the number of votes.

 

 

Regardless, the point is, these polls dont even reach 1% of the ED customer base, I doubt the location would have made much of a difference, even if you had twice the votes, you are still barely scrapping the surface.


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It's a bit of a stretch to say there are 60,000 active forum members...given that the viewing numbers are usually in the teens or lower for threads. I Imagine moving the poll from the popular DCS World General section to the seldom viewed Payments and Activation area helped limit the number of votes.

 

Yep the original location would have got a lot more responses, it was much more visible up there

 

When the forum loads it would have been right there infront of you

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Regardless, the point is, these polls dont even reach 1% of the ED customer base, I doubt the location would have made much of a difference, even if you had twice the votes, you are still barely scrapping the surface.

 

If we are so insignificant, I wonder if this pole is really usefull... I have a doubt...

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If we are so insignificant, I wonder if this pole is really usefull... I have a doubt...

 

Your opinions have been very helpful, and will drive the choices ED has made. The choice ED picks wont be made from the poll though. So no you are not insignificant, and no these polls generally aren't very useful.

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Regardless, the point is, these polls dont even reach 1% of the ED customer base, I doubt the location would have made much of a difference, even if you had twice the votes, you are still barely scrapping the surface.

 

True enough.

 

Polls usually only have a small sample size though. Any country poll only samples a small group that represents the larger populous...so the poll has done it's job I would think. 90 days will probably be a bit too long for ED but I think 30 days would be the sweet spot. Especially if the current DRM phones home once a month or so anyway...it would be more seamless since it's already being done. (more or less)

 

It's probably rare for someone to be without internet for 30 days. The 14 day option...well...people have been know to take 2 week vacations and bring their gaming laptops with them. Would be nice to have access to your modules in that scenario.

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True enough.

 

Polls usually only have a small sample size though. Any country poll only samples a small group that represents the larger populous...so the poll has done it's job I would think. 90 days will probably be a bit too long for ED but I think 30 days would be the sweet spot. Especially if the current DRM phones home once a month or so anyway...it would be more seamless since it's already being done. (more or less)

 

It's probably rare for someone to be without internet for 30 days. The 14 day option...well...people have been know to take 2 week vacations and bring their gaming laptops with them. Would be nice to have access to your modules in that scenario.

 

Actually there have been a number of examples shown that people can be stuck without internet for long periods of time, most importantly guys on deployment. ED will take all that into account for what they decide to do, even if its something different than even this time limited check.

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feels like the equipment dcs needs is at odds with scenarios that involve being without internet for extended periods

 

when you're on vacation or any other activity where you need to be mobile lugging around sim gear is a bit much


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feels like the equipment dcs needs is at odds with scenarios that involve being without internet for extended periods

 

I guess it depends on where I am, but yeah, if I am on vacation, I am not playing DCS, unless the vacation is me staying at home, then it's DCS overload :)

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feels like the equipment dcs needs is at odds with scenarios that involve being without internet for extended periods

 

Are you serious? Have you ever seen a millennial without their phone/electronics while on vacation? Bringing some comforts of home while being in an isolated area is not uncommon. That doesn't mean you're on it 24/7 while on vacation. Maybe every few days winding down in the cabin or whatever.

 

lol...looks like you edited your previous response about vacation being b.s. The quote changed to your edited version when I pressed it. My response was to your un-edited post.

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that's exactly what i mean, if you go outside for a vacation you're there to get away from it all, not out there for dcs. if you wanted to sit down and enjoy dcs just stay at home with your nice setup.

Are you serious? Have you ever seen a millennial without their phone/electronics while on vacation? Bringing some comforts of home while being in an isolated area is not uncommon. That doesn't mean you're on it 24/7 while on vacation. Maybe every few days winding down in the cabin or whatever.

yeah you'd have a laptop/smartphone/tablet and some pick-up-and-play games but anyone who lugs around their entire sim kit hasn't been on vacation before lmao

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Especially if the current DRM phones home once a month or so anyway...it would be more seamless since it's already being done. (more or less)

 

That was said by a moderator here to defend the new drm system. But we still wait for confirmation from official ED staff. My test and experiences from other users rather show it's not the case.

 

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Hello Everyone.

 

 

What a person does on Their vacation is their prerogative.

 

A person's personal opinion is Their prerogative.

 

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate what another person should or should not do on Their vacation.

 

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate how or how not another person should live Their life.

 

 

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Regardless, the point is, these polls dont even reach 1% of the ED customer base, I doubt the location would have made much of a difference, even if you had twice the votes, you are still barely scrapping the surface.

 

True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,

we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

 

If we wanted a slimmer confidence interval of say 2%, we needed 2309 votes. Anyway, most scientists go with 95% confidence level and usually n=500 is accurate enough, whether you're sampling 100k or millions doesn't really matter, if you don't mess up your sampling cohort that is.

 

Yeah, some visibility was lost due to moving the thread down from the news section, so mainly people that saw this within the first 2 days and those actually interested in the Harrier did vote.

 

Lets see what ED comes up with:music_whistling:


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True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,

we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

 

If we wanted a slimmer confidence interval of say 2%, we needed 2309 votes. Anyway, most scientists go with 95% confidence level and usually n=500 is accurate enough, whether you#re sampling 100k or millions doesn't really matter, if you don't mess up your sampling cohort that is.

 

Yeah, some visibility was lost due to moving the thread down from the news section, so mainly people that saw this within the first 2 days and those actually interested in the Harrier did vote.

 

Lets see what ED comes up with:music_whistling:

 

 

Ahhh, The days of statistics. I remember them well. Thanks for the flashback SC_Neo

 

 

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True, but ED cant design anything around everyone's personal prerogative can they? I would guess most people that go on vacation don't go for the joy of playing DCS in some exotic area? If you have to plan for Joe Blo that likes to sip wine on the beach and drop JDAMs, its gonna get pretty tough...

 

Hello Everyone.

 

 

What a person does on Their vacation is their prerogative.

 

A person's personal opinion is Their prerogative.

 

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate what another person should or should not do on Their vacation.

 

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate how or how not another person should live Their life.

 

 

Happy Simming,

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The majority is now for 90 days, the nearest option of the old system ( option you'd take care to not proposing in the vote ). The message isn't clear enough ED ?

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Just to be clear, that is 124 votes out of 60,000+ forums members

 

This is the principle of polls. A sample of persons gives an idea of the opinions of all the community.


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If the world has told us anything over the last few years is that polls are quite unreliable, as well as the mathematical solutions for guesstimating the outcome of things... at the end of the day, ED needs something that will protect their IP and be the best for what they think their userbase needs. I am confident they will get there.

 

True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,

we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

 

If we wanted a slimmer confidence interval of say 2%, we needed 2309 votes. Anyway, most scientists go with 95% confidence level and usually n=500 is accurate enough, whether you're sampling 100k or millions doesn't really matter, if you don't mess up your sampling cohort that is.

 

Yeah, some visibility was lost due to moving the thread down from the news section, so mainly people that saw this within the first 2 days and those actually interested in the Harrier did vote.

 

Lets see what ED comes up with:music_whistling:

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A person's personal opinion is Their prerogative.

 

I would guess most people that go on vacation don't go for the joy of playing DCS in some exotic area?

 

 

 

What a person does on Their vacation is their prerogative.

 

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate what another person should or should not do on Their vacation.

 

If you have to plan for Joe Blo that likes to sip wine on the beach and drop JDAMs, its gonna get pretty tough...

 

 

Maybe to some ethics to ponder.

 

Does "Joe Blo" any more or less consumer rights than any other consumer?

 

Would that be a form of discrimination?

 

 

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True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,

we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

 

Wow! Thanks for this flashback to 1984 as a QA statistician at Apple in the early days of the Fremont CA Mac factory...and yes, Apple actually did all their manufacturing in the US once upon a time :lol:

 

Constant arguments with the manufacturing guys. I'd tell them our sample inspection and reliability analysis showed there was a 95% probability we were shipping at least 10% defective Macs out to the field that would fail within the first 1000 hours of use. Their response was always the same: unless you can tell me it's 100% true, I'm not doing anything about it. So they didn't...and 20% of the early Macs came streaming back with heating failures :doh:

 

Of course, that had absolutely nothing with the fact that a certain Mr Jobs completely refused to put cooling fans in his beautiful Mac :smartass:

 

The moral of the story? Ignore statistics at your peril :music_whistling:

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Maybe to some ethics to ponder.

 

 

Not really, I expressed my opinion, and I am of the opinion that most people don't haul their DCS rig along when they go camping or sit on a beach somewhere, it's my opinion, based on your statements, I am allowed to have and share that.

 

Most examples are not vacations anyways, they are deployments, or taken somewhere for a job. SO not sure why you are so hung up on the vacation thing, but have at it.


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Wow! Thanks for this flashback to 1984 as a QA statistician at Apple in the early days of the Fremont CA Mac factory...and yes, Apple actually did all their manufacturing in the US once upon a time :lol:

 

Constant arguments with the manufacturing guys. I'd tell them our sample inspection and reliability analysis showed there was a 95% probability we were shipping at least 10% defective Macs out to the field that would fail within the first 1000 hours of use. Their response was always the same: unless you can tell me it's 100% true, I'm not doing anything about it. So they didn't...and 20% of the early Macs came streaming back with heating failures :doh:

 

Of course, that had absolutely nothing with the fact that a certain Mr Jobs completely refused to put cooling fans in his beautiful Mac :smartass:

 

The moral of the story? Ignore statistics at your peril :music_whistling:

 

Hardly similar to the situation we find ourselves in right now though.... with DCS. And the poll doesn't contain all the options ED is looking at for their new DRM, so kinda takes the air out of the poll even more.

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