flygav Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Well I have tried everything possible to get my old Dell XPS quad core 8GB Ram, GTX 750. To run the 2.0 version but I don't think my resources have the horsepower to run 2.0 new version. It will kinda run single player but no way on multiplayer. It ran 1.5 perfectly and had many hours of enjoyment but the new version it wont have anything to do with it. Every other program I use and I use many, my pc handles fine with the one exception of World 2.0. Therefore i can't justify upgrading to a new pc just to play a flight sim. I must not be the only one? My question is, am I going to have any problems going back to the good old 1.5 version and am I going to find any other players to fly with if I do? Just a poor boy that likes to fly. Thanks Fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 DCS World 2.5 is, quite simply, the most demanding video game available. Bar none. That means 4.0+ GHz processor (i3, i5, i7, i9, i37.28675, it doesn't matter), 16 GB of system memory, and a GTX 1080 Ti. Less than that, it might run pretty well--just not nearly as well as any other game on a much lesser system. It's not because of poor optimization, or an outdated graphics engine, or poor this or neglected that--it just means DCS 2.5 is demanding as all hell on PC hardware. I have a good, but dated, system, and DCS 2.5 runs pretty decently most of the time, barring long-time oversights (the classic stutter-on-weapon-hit, ejection, and crash). Any other game under the sun? No problem at all. If 1.5 works great for you, that's awesome. Enjoy :) AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 DCS World 2.5 is, quite simply, the most demanding video game available. Bar none. This is probably the most untrue statement I have seen in a while. ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 This is probably the most untrue statement I have seen in a while. Yet you fail to mention even a single game more demanding :D For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flygav Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Thanks for confirming my suspicions I have to agree. I'm sure there are a few more demanding but I'm not aware of them. I can do video editing/compressing, programing visual studio and everything else but not 2.0. And I only know one other person that has a modern computer so I think they cut a lot of people out when they went to the max. Most developers try to develop to the most common denominator for maximum number of players over max quality. Maybe someday the rest of us will catch up. Personally I had no problems with 1.5 was satisfying for me. But I put gameplay over graphics and eye candy. Edited November 5, 2018 by NineLine Removed 1.15 content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) I'm keeping my 1.58 install for VR once i make a couple of pc upgrades . 1070 on the way , a 7700k next spring , and i'm ready for the Rift . Doubt I'll ever be able to VR in 2.5 . Interestingly most super-VR-rigs videos I've seen on you tube have the graphics settings turned down so low , 1.5 looks better ! Gonna hurt not having the Hornet tho :( Edited November 7, 2018 by Svsmokey 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 5, 2018 ED Team Share Posted November 5, 2018 Yet you fail to mention even a single game more demanding :D Because it's against forum rules ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 This is probably the most untrue statement I have seen in a while. Exactly this. I have a number of games that are more demanding than DCS World 2.0 installed on my PC at this exact moment. One of them is even a hugely popular AAA title released a couple of weeks ago that I won't mention by name, but even though it's playable on my PC it actually runs much worse than DCS World. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 5, 2018 ED Team Share Posted November 5, 2018 Therefore i can't justify upgrading to a new pc just to play a flight sim. I must not be the only one? My question is, am I going to have any problems going back to the good old 1.5 version and am I going to find any other players to fly with if I do? Just a poor boy that likes to fly. Thanks Fly You won't be able to enjoy anything released after the release of the version you are using. If you are ok with that, then I think there are a few people that still use older versions. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm keeping my 1.58 install for VR once i make a couple of pc upgrades . 1070 on the way , a 6700k next spring , and i'm ready for the Rift . Doubt I'll ever be able to VR in 2.5 . Interestingly most super-VR-rigs videos I've seen on you tube have the graphics settings turned down so low , 1.5 looks better ! Gonna hurt not having the Hornet tho :( 2.5 will run much better in VR than 1.58, they have made some advances in the VR integration since then. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2.5 will run much better in VR than 1.58, they have made some advances in the VR integration since then. Ouch ! That hurt....thanks , though . Guess i'll haveta come up with a plan B . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This is not true. Even tho around 1.5.5 I find best, 1.5.8 I could still run pretty decent with Oculus and gtx970. After 2.5 it was an agony and I had to buy 1080ti. I am disappointed from 2.5 not only by the performance hit but also from the majority of the lighting and cockpit textures bugs the new rendering system came with. And it doesn't seem like ED bothers too much fixing them. DCS 2.5 is a buggy resource intensive mess, 1.5.x was much more stable and playable. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm keeping my 1.58 install for VR once i make a couple of pc upgrades . 1070 on the way , a 6700k next spring , and i'm ready for the Rift . Doubt I'll ever be able to VR in 2.5 . Interestingly most super-VR-rigs videos I've seen on you tube have the graphics settings turned down so low , 1.5 looks better ! Gonna hurt not having the Hornet tho :( I have a laptop with a 2.2ghz I7 and a gtx 1060 and it does alright on 2.5 in VR for me. I have the settings turned down and can't have as many units in a mission as my desktop rig but a 1070 should be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) I have a laptop with a 2.2ghz I7 and a gtx 1060 and it does alright on 2.5 in VR for me. I have the settings turned down and can't have as many units in a mission as my desktop rig but a 1070 should be good enough. Thanks ! Gonna upgrade to a i7-7700k soon , and am hoping to VR , at least after Vulcan . If not , i'll use the extra horsepower for msaa , uping graphics , display export , mp etc Edited November 7, 2018 by Svsmokey 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This is not true. Even tho around 1.5.5 I find best, 1.5.8 I could still run pretty decent with Oculus and gtx970. After 2.5 it was an agony and I had to buy 1080ti. I am disappointed from 2.5 not only by the performance hit but also from the majority of the lighting and cockpit textures bugs the new rendering system came with. And it doesn't seem like ED bothers too much fixing them. DCS 2.5 is a buggy resource intensive mess, 1.5.x was much more stable and playable. Thanks for the reply . I was happier with earlier versions of 1.5 than .8 . Wonder if we can still revert 1.5 ? 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I have a laptop with a 2.2ghz I7 and a gtx 1060 and it does alright on 2.5 in VR for me. I have the settings turned down and can't have as many units in a mission as my desktop rig but a 1070 should be good enough. And how is this ok ? Yes if you turn shadows AA and PD off, you can fly alone in a clear day but shoot a few ground targets to generate some smoke and it becomes a stutter mess, let aside playing a more decent mission or joining a crowded server. This is not ok, this is more like a demo version :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Because I'm able to have 20-ish units on screen and I still get to play DCS in VR when I'm travelling for work without it being a stuttering mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 to generate some smoke and it becomes a stutter mess, let aside playing a more decent mission or joining a crowded server Untrue. I've got an i7-2600K / 16GB RAM / GTX980 rig originally assembled in January 2012 (the videocard is a new addition) and it still runs the latest OB with busyish missions just fine in SP and MP both. I do see an occasional hiccup, sure, but by and large it all still works smoothly enough. The key is OS/HW/DCS optimization. Tedious, but definitely doable. Suggest you give it a go as well. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Before we answer how about posting your system specs... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This is probably the most untrue statement I have seen in a while. Any suggestions? I'd love to hear 'em AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm keeping my 1.58 install for VR once i make a couple of pc upgrades . 1070 on the way , a 6700k next spring , and i'm ready for the Rift . Doubt I'll ever be able to VR in 2.5 . Interestingly most super-VR-rigs videos I've seen on you tube have the graphics settings turned down so low , 1.5 looks better ! Gonna hurt not having the Hornet tho :( GTX 1070 is probably unsuited for VR in DCS World. Go for the 1080 Ti if you can find one. I wouldn't go any lower than that for the graphics card if you want VR. Instead of a Core i7 of any kind, which doesn't improve gaming performance but costs a lot more, get a K-type i5, or even i3-8350K (4C/4T, 4.0+ GHz). AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sea2sky Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) It's not because of poor optimization, or an outdated graphics engine, or poor this or neglected that--it just means DCS 2.5 is demanding as all hell on PC hardware. How do you know? Have you done any graphic engine comparisons? Or may be you saw their source code? Personally I don't think there was enough done in the optimization department. The existence of VR shader mode only proves that. Edited November 6, 2018 by sea2sky i5-9600K@4.8GHz ★ 32Gb DDR4 ★ Asus TUF rtx3080 OC ★ Quest Pro ★ Warthog on Virpil base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 GTX 1070 is probably unsuited for VR in DCS World. Go for the 1080 Ti if you can find one. I wouldn't go any lower than that for the graphics card if you want VR. Instead of a Core i7 of any kind, which doesn't improve gaming performance but costs a lot more, get a K-type i5, or even i3-8350K (4C/4T, 4.0+ GHz). AD Thanks for input . Right now a 1080ti is twice the cost of a 1070 . In any event , the 1070 is on its way . As my motherboard does not support overclocking , and i'm not interested in doing so anyway , i simply need to get the fastest compatible stock-clock cpu i can find . 7700k stock at 4.2 & turbos to 4.5 looks good . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Jam Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 While DCS might not be the MOST demanding game it does require a modern system.... I am not opposed to this. I just got DCS world when I saw the f-14 was being released. I played DCS A10c stand alone and that ran okay on my PC. DCS World 2.5...not so much but it does look much better. I had been debating building a new system to replace my current 7 year old PC. Now I have a good excuse. Ill probably spend 3,000 bucks and not touch it again for 7 years. I typically try to build with about 5 to 6 years in mind. Ill be throwing the new RTX card in this system with a 5Ghz i7 8086k. This is the rules of the game we play its been this way since D0om. Devs need to keep pushing hardware limits or we wouldn't have things like DCS / heat blur's f-14 or other very visually appealing titles. I welcome it but realize its also a bit of a love for abuse thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 How do you know? Have you done any graphic engine comparisons? Or may be you saw their source code? Personally I don't think there was enough done in the optimization department. The existence of VR shader mode only proves that. They stopped working on the older engine, they needed to update two engines side by side while building the new engine and redoing the older map. Not real efficient and once 2.5 came with all the maps under one roof, 1.5 was cut loose. Now the engine coders/engineers are focusing on the one engine and implementing Vulkan for better optimization. This is still quite a new engine and needs a little more time in the oven to mature. That's all, it still looks great and needs tweaking for better results for mid powered hardware, hopefully Vulkan will help here. i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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