Apples Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Seriously guys!!! I always found it funny no matter what Forum or what game you are playing people are always going to speak there minds. Ya some people really need a kick in the butt, But There are always going to be Ban Happy admins! Give some one a little power and they think they are on top of the world. You cant say anything these days without offending someone. Its an online forum, Easiest way to do it in my opinion, is have no rules. Then there is nothing to complain about! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 6 Monitors, 5 Video Cards, 90inch Flat Screen, Intel Bad Ass 2 @ 72.6Ghz, Atari Hotas!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 28, 2015 ED Team Share Posted June 28, 2015 Seriously guys!!! I always found it funny no matter what Forum or what game you are playing people are always going to speak there minds. Ya some people really need a kick in the butt, But There are always going to be Ban Happy admins! Give some one a little power and they think they are on top of the world. You cant say anything these days without offending someone. Its an online forum, Easiest way to do it in my opinion, is have no rules. Then there is nothing to complain about! Nothing wrong with speaking your mind, its how you deliver the message that counts. Its not an excuse that its in the internet that it should be a free for all. Rules are ok, even here. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numien Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 • Links to copyrighted content This needs to be clarified, I think. As written, it would almost completely disallow links. Even links to other posts on this very forum would be disallowed, as per the "Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd" message at the bottom of the page. It should probably be changed to read something along the lines of "Illegally linking to copyrighted content" or "Illegally distributing copyrighted content" or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Wags Posted July 2, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 2, 2015 Dear all, Thank you for the feedback. Over the past several days we have adjusted/improved the guidelines based on the feedback here and other websites. We are now happy with the results and will be localizing the guidelines. Thanks Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numien Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) We are now happy with the results and will be localizing the guidelines. I would still encourage you to change the following: • Links to copyrighted content As an example of why this is bad, here are 4 posts which would fall afoul of this: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2423053 -- Contains link to content "© 2015 Twitch Interactive, Inc" http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2422539 -- Contains link to content "© 2015 Mudspike.com" http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2412437 -- Contains link to content "© 2015 Valve Corporation." http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2292287 -- Contains link to content "©2015 Google" Under the new policy, these would earn you a 120% warning and 3 month posting suspension. I highly doubt this is what you intend, but if what you say and what you intend are different, you have not succeded in your goal to make the rules "fair, clear and accountable." Edited July 2, 2015 by Numien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 2, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 2, 2015 What it means is content that could be downloaded or viewed illegally, such as posting a manual from somewhere without permission... in the examples you show, I think there is permission to share... what do you think? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numien Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 What it means is content that could be downloaded or viewed illegally, such as posting a manual from somewhere without permission... in the examples you show, I think there is permission to share... what do you think? Yes, that is probably exactly what is meant. However, it is not what is said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 How is a 10% warning, or any odd amount, going to show on a bar graduated in 20% increments? ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 3, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 3, 2015 How is a 10% warning, or any odd amount, going to show on a bar graduated in 20% increments? we can give in 10% increments. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Demon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 What is wrong with selling or trading modules, if I may ask? Lvl 4. – 40 percent permanent warning (no expiration). • Module trading, selling • Attacks on Eagle Dynamics staff, other forum members or moderators • Product feedback that is abusive, insulting or condescending. However, critical feedback that is mature, truthful and reasonable is welcome • Extreme cases of using other social media to spread untrue, malicious information with the intent to harm Eagle Dynamics • Posting of online cheating and exploit methods • Posting links to phishing/scam pages • Pornographic content • Racist comments • Real life threats AMD Ryzen 3600, Biostar Racing B850GT3, AMD Rx 580 8Gb, 16384 DDR4 2900, Hitachi 7K3000 2Tb, Samsung SM961 256Gb SSD, Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, Samsung S24F350 24' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 3, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 3, 2015 What is wrong with selling or trading modules, if I may ask? It's against forum/ED rules. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 3, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yes, that is probably exactly what is meant. However, it is not what is said. But isnt it common sense that if you dont own the rights to post something, you probably shouldnt be posting it? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Demon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Wow - I have not realised that - not that I was trading or selling anything... Can I have a link at the rules? It's against forum/ED rules. AMD Ryzen 3600, Biostar Racing B850GT3, AMD Rx 580 8Gb, 16384 DDR4 2900, Hitachi 7K3000 2Tb, Samsung SM961 256Gb SSD, Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, Samsung S24F350 24' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 3, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en There should be a reference to it in the License Agreement when you purchase a module as well. You know that big wall of text everyone reads when they buy a piece of software :D Edited July 3, 2015 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I think is best when building a rule (or a pair) not to have inside it two statements that give for same action but in different circumstances or subjective measures totally opposed and ultimate punishments or rewards. my example is this: Lvl 4. – 40 percent permanent warning (no expiration). ... Product feedback that is abusive, insulting or condescending. However, critical feedback that is mature, truthful and reasonable is welcome The first part refers to 40 points warning and basically banishing. So it's like a capital punishment. This part in itself is a bit to be worked on because it is vague or subjective to each ones interpretation. Condescending feedback? = ban? That means a joke can be in this situation. Plus, due to internationalization the thresholds are blurred by cultural or language differences/difficulties. But the most detrimental part is to have after the statement that punishes, same action but with different subjective interpretation that is actually welcomed. In such situations you will have polarization. People will either spite the rule and then in time it will be more and more quickly punished with the capital punishment or... people will "behave", like in the face of a ruthless kingship and less and less feedback will be given (good or bad) to avoid the punishment. A solution to this problem would be to keep the sentence/rule/guide line, but move it at a lower warning such that after a ruling against ones feedback he can adjust not lose head. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numien Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) But isnt it common sense that if you dont own the rights to post something, you probably shouldnt be posting it? Yes, but the rule states no posting links to any sort of copyrighted content, it doesn't have any requirement of being illegal. Most of all, we want them to be fair, clear and accountable. If this is the point of the rewrite, having a rule which could be applied to more or less any situation involving a link, at the discretion of a moderator's whims, does not achieve the goal. It may seem like the intent of the rule is obvious, and to an extent it is. But if the letter of the law doesn't match the intent, sooner or later, it is going to be applied in a case where it is fuzzy whether or not it's right, someone is going to say it was just because the moderator didn't like them, and everything will be back to where we started. Keep in mind, I'm not saying this for my own sake. You can see my post count. More than half of them have been in this thread, trying to convince you of why this rule is phrased poorly. But, I have seen rules applied in very fuzzy ways in the past, and I hope in at least one case I can help clarify things and prevent people here potentially risking a punishment for any link to copyrighted content, even perfectly legal ones, just because a moderator doesn't like it. Edit: Not to suggest that moderators are evil or anything, but we're all human and humans are falliable. Edited July 3, 2015 by Numien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 3, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 3, 2015 • Illegal / unauthorized links to copyrighted content Is that not good enough for you now? Yes, but the rule states no posting links to any sort of copyrighted content, it doesn't have any requirement of being illegal. If this is the point of the rewrite, having a rule which could be applied to more or less any situation involving a link, at the discretion of a moderator's whims, does not achieve the goal. It may seem like the intent of the rule is obvious, and to an extent it is. But if the letter of the law doesn't match the intent, sooner or later, it is going to be applied in a case where it is fuzzy whether or not it's right, someone is going to say it was just because the moderator didn't like them, and everything will be back to where we started. Keep in mind, I'm not saying this for my own sake. You can see my post count. More than half of them have been in this thread, trying to convince you of why this rule is phrased poorly. But, I have seen rules applied in very fuzzy ways in the past, and I hope in at least one case I can help clarify things and prevent people here potentially risking a punishment for any link to copyrighted content, even perfectly legal ones, just because a moderator doesn't like it. Edit: Not to suggest that moderators are evil or anything, but we're all human and humans are falliable. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 3, 2015 ED Team Share Posted July 3, 2015 Most of these rules come down to common sense, if you think its going to be taken wrong, then maybe you shouldnt post it, even if you say it in jest, it doesnt mean the other side must take it or will take it as humor. Saying "I was just joking" is probably the most used excuse ever in this case, and I bet 50% of the time it was just a joke, but if you run the risk of insulting another user, or the dev team, was the joke really worth it? No, probably not. We have many moderators, have have moderators that speak a number of languages, if there is some question of misinterpretation we have resources to discuss this, the fact is that these changes were not only to be more transparent with the community, but to promote communication with the mod and dev team to have a more consistent delivery of these rules and warnings. And once again, if you ever have an issue with how these are handed out, you can always contact us via PM, or even open a ticket. If you are hoping for perfectly black and white rules, its just not possible for many of the reasons you listed yourself. No system will be 100% perfect, but we hope this will improve things on both sides. I think is best when building a rule (or a pair) not to have inside it two statements that give for same action but in different circumstances or subjective measures totally opposed and ultimate punishments or rewards. my example is this: The first part refers to 40 points warning and basically banishing. So it's like a capital punishment. This part in itself is a bit to be worked on because it is vague or subjective to each ones interpretation. Condescending feedback? = ban? That means a joke can be in this situation. Plus, due to internationalization the thresholds are blurred by cultural or language differences/difficulties. But the most detrimental part is to have after the statement that punishes, same action but with different subjective interpretation that is actually welcomed. In such situations you will have polarization. People will either spite the rule and then in time it will be more and more quickly punished with the capital punishment or... people will "behave", like in the face of a ruthless kingship and less and less feedback will be given (good or bad) to avoid the punishment. A solution to this problem would be to keep the sentence/rule/guide line, but move it at a lower warning such that after a ruling against ones feedback he can adjust not lose head. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numien Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Is that not good enough for you now? I didn't notice the change. Yes, that's far more clear. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) The first part refers to 40 points warning and basically banishing. No. With every infraction of this kind, you get 40% permanent warning and your posting privileges suspended for one month. After your third strike, you get one year off. If the first two strikes aren't enough to get the message across, then one isn't listening. Edited July 4, 2015 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) A question to ask (of the higher ups) at this point is; How can a User Edited/ Deleted post ( ie a general member, who only has access to the frontend of the forum), who has chosen to edit their post (for whatever reason), or just plain out deleted their post (again, for whatever reason); have that same User pre edited/ deleted post used in the above situation of the rules as set? Once a General Member has deleted, or, edited a post, that general member considers the post as No Longer In Existence, for the purposes of this or any other forum? sorry, but this is the way its seen by front end users (different in the Real World, for sure, but that's the legalities of the real world and Emails). How does that play with the rules as set in the OP? Edited July 10, 2016 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 10, 2016 ED Team Share Posted July 10, 2016 This was already explained to you, your post was deleted (by a moderator) because it violated rules, you didnt edit it, you didnt delete it. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 This was already explained to you, your post was deleted (by a moderator) because it violated rules, you didnt edit it, you didnt delete it. I'm asking an honest question on something entirely different, Sithspawn, and on topic :) City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 11, 2016 ED Team Share Posted July 11, 2016 Are you asking, if a user posts something that violates the rules, but then goes back and deletes it or edits? The issue with that is anyone that is subscribed to the thread may get an email with your original content in it. If its bad enough, you are still going to get the warning. The best thing to do is before you send it the first time, re-read it to make sure its something you really want to send. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Ah, that's an interesting information, I wondered about that as well. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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