What new feature of the Hornet are you most looking forward to?

Tried yesterday 2 vs 2 BVR against Flankers ant had most of my AMRAAM trashed bechsee of this loss of bug. It's so frustrating.

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Most looking forward to the AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR Targeting Pod with out a doubt for me.

Dumb question: will we be able to see on the radar the difference between positive and negative IFF returns from planes? (Like in the F15 with dots and bars)

Dumb question: will we be able to see on the radar the difference between positive and negative IFF returns from planes? (Like in the F15 with dots and bars)

Yes eventually, though it doesn't seem like the real Hornet has any equivalent of the F-15's ability to show positive/negative IFF returns while in RWS automatically (without using datalink).

When we get LTWS, we'll be able to manually select three bricks and show their IFF status (two that you soft-lock, and the third by putting your cursor over a third brick).

Once we get TWS, it'll show the IFF status for 8 targets automatically but at a hefty scan volume penalty (i.e. instead of 140 degrees & 6 bar scans, you'll only be able to do a maximum of something like 6 bar & 20 degrees, or 4 bar & 40 degrees or 2 bar & 80 degrees).

Once we get Link-16, you'll be able to see the IFF status of everything around you in RWS and other radar modes (assuming good AWACs coverage or that you're close to the carrier or that other Hornets have IFFed those contacts). Worth remembering that once we've got this you'll be able to use the SA page (which is like a hybrid of the HSI and Attack Radar pages) and see contacts 360 degrees around you - even if your radar isn't pointing that way or is off.

So the Hornet probably can't do what the F-15 does on RWS with dots and bars, but once we've got datalink it won't matter.

Yes eventually, though it doesn't seem like the real Hornet has any equivalent of the F-15's ability to show positive/negative IFF returns while in RWS automatically (without using datalink).

 

When we get LTWS, we'll be able to manually select three bricks and show their IFF status (two that you soft-lock, and the third by putting your cursor over a third brick).

 

Once we get TWS, it'll show the IFF status for 8 targets automatically but at a hefty scan volume penalty (i.e. instead of 140 degrees & 6 bar scans, you'll only be able to do a maximum of something like 6 bar & 20 degrees, or 4 bar & 40 degrees or 2 bar & 80 degrees).

 

Once we get Link-16, you'll be able to see the IFF status of everything around you in RWS and other radar modes (assuming good AWACs coverage or that you're close to the carrier or that other Hornets have IFFed those contacts). Worth remembering that once we've got this you'll be able to use the SA page (which is like a hybrid of the HSI and Attack Radar pages) and see contacts 360 degrees around you - even if your radar isn't pointing that way or is off.

 

So the Hornet probably can't do what the F-15 does on RWS with dots and bars, but once we've got datalink it won't matter.

Cool! Thanks for the answer :)

Really looking forward to the JHMCS and TPOD/GBUs. Question though since the AV/8B team has alrasdy created and employed some of these weapons. Is that coding open source and available to the ED team to use? If so, why such a delay in migrating the Mavs, GBUs, etc onto the hornet? Are they recreating these systems?

Really looking forward to the JHMCS and TPOD/GBUs. Question though since the AV/8B team has alrasdy created and employed some of these weapons. Is that coding open source and available to the ED team to use? If so, why such a delay in migrating the Mavs, GBUs, etc onto the hornet? Are they recreating these systems?

I voted for HARM as ultimate request but I know it will require a lot more work.

My order of preference for updates, based on want vs need with consideration for multiplayer and joint tasking effectiveness

1-10 with 1 being most needed

1- Data Link (MIDS / Link-16 / IFF)

2- ATFLIR Targeting Pod

3- Guided Bombs

4- Air to Surface Radar

5- HARM

6- A/A Radar TWS/RAID/AZ EL/LTWS

7- Harpoon

8- Joint Helmet Mounted Cuing System (JHMCS)

9- Automatic Carrier Landing System (ACLS)

10- SLAM / SLAM-ER

 

Once we get Link-16, you'll be able to see the IFF status of everything around you in RWS and other radar modes (assuming good AWACs coverage or that you're close to the carrier or that other Hornets have IFFed those contacts). Worth remembering that once we've got this you'll be able to use the SA page (which is like a hybrid of the HSI and Attack Radar pages) and see contacts 360 degrees around you - even if your radar isn't pointing that way or is off.

 

^this!:thumbup:

I voted HARM but guided bombs come second for me personally. Buddy laze & CTLD JTAC would be great for a lot of mission set ups.

Even though there is a clear majority on HARM and the FLIR, I really hope that LTWS comes first with the ability to IFF properly.

When the plane was released, I thought, that I will fly the Hornet all the time, but this has changed quickly due to the radar and IFF problems. Since, less than 10% of my DCS flight was spent with the Hornet.... This current lock-raygun-buddyspike needs to stop.

Even though there is a clear majority on HARM and the FLIR, I really hope that LTWS comes first with the ability to IFF properly.

When the plane was released, I thought, that I will fly the Hornet all the time, but this has changed quickly due to the radar and IFF problems. Since, less than 10% of my DCS flight was spent with the Hornet.... This current lock-raygun-buddyspike needs to stop.

+1

I was hoping the Hornet would be ready out of the box to replace the Mirage as my daily-driver. As it is, it's mainly sat in the Hangar for the last three and a half months while I'm waiting for it's radar capabilities to improve. I'm really hoping we'll hear some news on this soon, they mentioned a couple of months ago that they wanted to finish RWS as a priority.

Data Link (MIDS / Link-16 / IFF)

HARM

ATFLIR Targeting Pod

Guided Bombs

A/A Radar TWS/RAID/AZ EL/LTWS

Joint Helmet Mounted Cuing System (JHMCS)

Air to Surface Radar

Harpoon

Automatic Carrier Landing System (ACLS)

SLAM / SLAM-ER

BR

blc

While I do understand why so many people would like to have the HARM or the A/G radar as a priority I still feel confused about the result: anyone can see on these forums that systems that are left half finished get a lot of criticism on their way, but still people would rather leave the F/A-18's Air-to-air suite half done until some heavy Air-to-ground systems/weapons are implemented?

I would much rather ED finished the whole air-to-air suite, link 16 included before fully focusing on the air-to-ground -side of the aircraft. That way we would have a complete F-18 and not a half done F/A-18.

I am especially baffled about the low status of additional radar modes - TWS is an instrumental radar mode to effectively employ the Hornet! I do not know how far ED is in completing the A/G radar, but if it is still a-ways away from completion and the poll would be taken as is for a developement roadmap then I fear we will be stuck with a half baked fighter for a long time.

Regards,

MikeMikeJuliet

I understand both oppinions, but i would not prefer an AA focus in the first place and i would like to explain why.

Although I see the personal preferences, I am more interested in how this module can be most usefull and enjoyable not on its own, but in the DCS World eco system.

First of all you have to decide whether you want an AA or an AG focus.

Let us assume you take AA first:

You will get an airframe for AA that (as a complete system) will be the best fighter in DCS. We have an outstanding AA fighter on blue side already and the community as a whole would not profit from an even better AA fighter on blue side.

As many people bought the hornet and AA would be the primary focus nearly everyone flying it, would be doing CAP missions only.

Now let us think the other direction:

Develop the AA capability as far as the hornet can defend itself without all the neat extras in the first place (LTWS, Helmt Display...).

If you would concentrate on a new task like SEAD for example, the whole community (even the ones that dont own a hornet) would profit from it. Opening a completely new variety of tasks and missions that can be flown, which need to be escorted, awacs that have to be protected and so on.

Just try to fill the tactical gaps.

By the time the AG component is finnished, another fearsome fighter (the F-14) is hopefully ready to play the red AA counterpart when hornets AA development focus begins.

For all of this to work properly there are few things that HAVE to work as intended:

- Reliable RWS (without losing lock while cranking, and all the other showstopper defects)

- Datalink (providing enough SA to be absolutely deadly even without all the other stuff if an awacs is in the air. I usually get killed by the lack of my SA and not by missing TWS)

- At least an initial capability to furfill SEAD tasks

All other gadgets can come after that.

Sorry for the long post, but I think it is important that all users profit from a new module and not only the ones that bought it (bought it in pre release phase).

This is just my oppinion:

1. Datalink

2. HARM

3. Guided AG munitions

4. Targeting pod

5. Fancy AA stuff

To be honest I'd be happy with just a radar that can reliably hold a lock in the current avalible modes

I'd also be very excited to see the AGM-65E/F Maverick finally make it to the F/A-18, even if it just means using the seeker head to find targets at first. Just to give the Hornet some standoff A/G capability.

Tried yesterday 2 vs 2 BVR against Flankers ant had most of my AMRAAM trashed bechsee of this loss of bug. It's so frustrating.

 

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As Dos Gringos says in his song:

...

So I flipped the switch to outboard and said, "Boys it's time to dance"

And they asked me where you going as I started to diverge

Said, "I've had enough of this shit, man, I'm going to merge"

'Cause BVR is great but now it's time to have some fun

So Darkstar Judy, Judy

I'm going in for guns

 

...

So I put him in my HUD and I almost flipped the switch

But then I thought, how could I miss? 'Cause that's a huge bitch

And only a big pussy would use his two fox one's

It's time to get medieval

I'm going in for guns

You don't do CAP in F18 or you probably don't own it at all right? The aim120ay hit even if the lock is broken. Not the aim7. So yeah ...

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I'm looking forward to JHMCS

Why is ATFLIR Targeting Pod and guided bombs separate ? ? ? ? Please don't tell me we'll get them separate

Because they are 2 separate things. You don't need one to use the other. And it goes both ways.

Why is ATFLIR Targeting Pod and guided bombs separate ? ? ? ? Please don't tell me we'll get them separate

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You don't do CAP in F18 or you probably don't own it at all right? The aim120ay hit even if the lock is broken. Not the aim7. So yeah ...

 

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I own it since day 1, but i do not use AIM-120's, i find it boring, i rather the fight close and do WVR, but, my personal choice and this is why i avoid public servers as it's mainly what people load up. :) But back to the subjet, only long distance missile i dream of now is the HARM cuz bringing the fight close to a SAM is a bit nasty.

I own it since day 1, but i do not use AIM-120's, i find it boring, i rather the fight close and do WVR, but, my personal choice and this is why i avoid public servers as it's mainly what people load up. :) But back to the subjet, only long distance missile i dream of now is the HARM cuz bringing the fight close to a SAM is a bit nasty.

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I'll throw in my 2¢, I'm most interested in the SEAD capabilities of the Hornet, so I'm looking forward to the HARM and related systems most.