Terzi Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I have been flying the first 20 missions of Heavy Sky campaign. I like it so much. I have complaints about current F-14s. Sometimes I faced multiple F-14s and I can say that AIM-54 missile is currently SO powerful. It is like AIM-120D. In SU-33 you don't get RWR warning until the missile is ~5-10km away from you and F-14s will launch it from 85km distance!! Jamming does not help at all, I confirmed this many times. If the F-14 happens to lose the lock on you, missile goes balistic and when it relocks, missile turns to you again :megalol: I hope they fix these when F-14 module is out. Currently AI F-14 with AIM-54 is way more dangerous than AI F-18 with AIM120. All my AI wingmen gets shot in few minutes... [CENTER] [/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haukka81 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Thats the way how Aim-54 works , no warning until it goes active. This is simulation , not battlefield etc where things get ”balanced” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terzi Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Thats the way how Aim-54 works , no warning until it goes active. This is simulation , not battlefield etc where things get ”balanced” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes but how can an F-14 radar lock me from 90km distance while my jammer is on.. I would understand if I were to fly IL-78 but it is SU-33. Even today's radars can hardly get lock above that distance. I'm not a missile or aviation expert, but I wonder why would they drop so powerful missile if it was so good in real life. [CENTER] [/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitrischal Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Probably because the threat wasn’t there anymore and the plane that carried it was retired? Do some reading on the F14 and you will find the in game performance reasonable and the reasons why it was retired from service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terzi Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I fly 30m above the sea with or without jammer it locks me and shoots from 85km... Chaffs have no effect, (I flown 20 times against F-14 and dropped chaffs and never seen any effect) I try to beam, and nothing breaks the lock. Well if you want to believe that the current AIM-54B model and F-14 radar model is reasonable, fine I have nothing to say. Looks like they had better radars and missiles in 1981 than today's. [CENTER] [/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I found this to be an interesting read: Forecast International Archived Report: AIM-54A/C/C+ Phoenix. The part that caught my eye: In airborne testing, the AIM-54A achieved enviable results, with the success rate running at 88 percent over the entire test program. Of the 56 missiles fired during contractor tests, 43 were scored as hits. During 1973 the Phoenix hit targets at ranges of 202 kilometers (109 nautical miles) and attained an altitude of more than 30,480 meters (100,000 feet). A Phoenix also hit a BQM-34A drone simulating a cruise missile at an altitude of only 15 meters (50 feet) above the sea. Given the source, there might be an agenda but the report contains some interesting info just the same. Also refers to an infrared subsystem on the missile. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 There's no infrared subsystem on the missile. There was integration with the IRST though ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 There's no infrared subsystem on the missile. There was integration with the IRST though ;) Ahh...that's what they were referring to, then. I took it to mean the missile itself was fitted with it--which I had never heard before. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chudson1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 What I find Crazy, if the Phoenix was 88 Percent Accurate/Effective why was it not continued, as far as I know the F15 could carry it on the Belly station (at least tested on in one picture) and possibly on the wing Drop tanks stations so if correct that's either 1 phoenix or 3 Pheonix. I get this is not practical in all situations. Would the phoenix if continued to be developed not have a place in 21st century air war?? Aim 54 testing phases seem like it was very effective from a Air Supremacy stand point, break into enemy airspace and lob a few of these. Anyone know the testing phase for the R33 any info on how effective it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 That was NASA's F-15 using an instrumented AIM-54 for hypersonic testing. The F-15 was never made able to actually carry and launch the AIM-54 in war. Phoenix was given up because the only platform capable of launching it was retired. That's it. F-15's didn't need it and hornets can't take full advantage of it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The resolution is to fix the other missiles in the game, not nerf the one in the game that actually works (or close to works). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The current AIM-54 ingame won't get fixed or tweaked. It will get replaced by an entirely new AIM-54 by Heatblur. This is, AFAIK, an entirely new development of the missile and has nothing in common (code wise) with the missile currently ingame. We will have to see how this new missile performs when it's available. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitrischal Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 We all now no matter how the new AIM54 performs it will be an exceptionally controversial subject anyways. :lol: No such thing as keeping this community happy... Historically though there was little use for the Phoenix after the ussr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ked Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 During real war you never fire at 85km nor even 20 until you're absolutely sure that the plane you're firing at is hostile, there's no IFF to tell you so. This is a simulation but it has its limits aswell I really think we should have more core systems implemented next, like better radios/ATC/AWACS/Transponder. Sadly, this doesn't sell more modules :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkspade Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 What I found really interesting about the AI F-14 can maintain lock at long range even when you turn cold. I've tried engaging them in the F-15 and basically you just evade the 54s while the F-14s close in so that you can get missiles off to force them defensive or get the kill. At least with 120s, though you could probably pull it off with ETs. http://104thphoenix.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It seems the AI has cheater radar capabilities. Yesterday my AI Mirage 2000C wingman was able to pick up enemy fighters on scope from 100 miles away! I can never pick up fighter sized aircraft any further than 40nm away in the Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeaceSells Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I found this to be an interesting read: Forecast International Archived Report: AIM-54A/C/C+ Phoenix. The part that caught my eye: In airborne testing, the AIM-54A achieved enviable results, with the success rate running at 88 percent over the entire test program. Of the 56 missiles fired during contractor tests, 43 were scored as hits. During 1973 the Phoenix hit targets at ranges of 202 kilometers (109 nautical miles) and attained an altitude of more than 30,480 meters (100,000 feet). A Phoenix also hit a BQM-34A drone simulating a cruise missile at an altitude of only 15 meters (50 feet) above the sea. Given the source, there might be an agenda but the report contains some interesting info just the same. Also refers to an infrared subsystem on the missile. But this part below makes me wonder if this success rate was against targets flying in straight line: In one conclusive test in 1973, six AIM-54As were launched within 37 seconds against six drones at ranges up to 80 kilometers (43.19 nautical miles), with four of these scoring direct hits. The fifth Phoenix was unable to intercept as the drone veered off course, while the sixth missile experienced hardware failure. My DCS modding videos: Modules I own so far: Black Shark 2, FC3, UH-1H, M-2000C, A-10C, MiG-21, Gazelle, Nevada map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 No, some were maneuvering. Veered off course is not an adequate statement upon which to make assumptions - missiles are sensitive to target parameters, and what if that thing was 40nm away and veered waaaay off course? Like 90 deg off course. Keep in mind that we don't know the launch altitude for these tests, either. A 20000' 0.9M shot can easily be half the range or less of a high-altitude high-speed shot (say 40000' mach 2) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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