Major Puncake Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 surely this would also fit nicely into the huey to give an example of a upgraded civil huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nossie Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 251 comments and nobody knows if this is just a one trick pony for the MI-8 If it's a generic multipurpose aircraft one, for those aircraft that will support it - it's a buy from me. If it's just for the MI-8 and you expect us to buy it each time for every aircraft we have than you will sour me further with your DLC model and I'll need to consider more carefully in future what companies I support. The whole idea of software is to get around these 'physical' issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Well, we don't know because the devs don't want to tell us. Maybe they haven't made that decision yet. Yeah, it's a weird situation. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Actually we do know, because it was already available for the L-39. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 251 comments and nobody knows if this is just a one trick pony for the MI-8 If it's a generic multipurpose aircraft one, for those aircraft that will support it - it's a buy from me. If it's just for the MI-8 and you expect us to buy it each time for every aircraft we have than you will sour me further with your DLC model and I'll need to consider more carefully in future what companies I support. My stance exactly. And it almost seems like things are intentionally kept kind of vague at this point. I don't agree with people who think the price is too expensive for this module, I don't agree either with people who think it should be free. I believe this is a great way for ED and other developers to make some additional income that can also add a lot to the sim for the consumers too. However, if the intention is to make it "pay per module integration", then I will not support it. Don't get me wrong, paying per versions of another aircraft would be something I want to see happen, so we can get multiple variants even if they are fairly different so they can't be made into a pay once bundle. But this isn't the same thing. Edit: Actually we do know, because it was already available for the L-39. Yeah, it was. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Actually we do know, because it was already available for the L-39. That doesn't say anything about the pricing and licensing model. Fact is, what you currently buy is "DCS: NS 430 Navigation System for DCS: Mi-8MTV2". Not "DCS: NS 430 Navigation System for DCS World". I see three possibilities: * One purchase for 15$ will serve all aircraft that will eventually get this addon. * Every aircraft will require separate purchase. This can get pricey really quick. * One purchase will serve all aicraft, but the purchase price will increase with every aircraft that gets the GPS. Similar situation with FC3, which gets more expensive as ED adds new features. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I see only this option: * One purchase for 15$ will serve all aircraft that will eventually get this addon. Everything else would be utterly retarded and I'm sure they won't do that. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It either is for the Mi-8 only, or it comes available for a subset of DCS AC for free (or at least the price will be nominal). Nothing else makes sense, since pretty much no-one is willing to pay $15 a pop. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2if this is just a one trick pony for the MI-8 Could be, but it's great nevertheless. Definitely not regretting buying it myself. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Nothing else makes sense, since pretty much no-one is willing to pay $15 a pop. It depends on how you want balance realism against price - paying Belsimtek/ED to rework existing assets. For example the GNS 430 in the Mi-17 drives an enhanced HSI (KI 852) and different Com and Nav transceivers. So to add the GNS 430 correctly, looks to involve a cockpit rework. The same is true for the L-39. We have the F-5E-3 without an ILS or INS because the USA didn't spec them as standard - which I think was a bad choice by BST (but now it might be ok to add GNS430 features?). I liked BST's Huey compromise adding the Australian mini-guns never used by the US but which exist in real life. So to add the GNS 430 to a Mi-8, they should base the equipment spec/features off a specific airframe/date. So if there's a Mi-8 (or M-17) with a co-pilot GNS430 and nothing else - it's ok, OTOH if not - don't do it in DCS. The same would apply to the L-39. For the UH-1H - there are examples using the GNC250XL and portable GNS696 For the F-5 - an T-38 squadron uses the portable GNS696, so I suppose that'd be ok. Not sure what's used in the MiG-21 or WWII warbirds - GPS should be disabled/non-functional for missions prior to 1980 ? as a fix for WWII and Korea servers/missions either way. i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Not sure what's used in the MiG-21 or WWII warbirds - GPS should be disabled/non-functional for missions prior to 1980 ? as a fix for WWII and Korea servers/missions either way. It should be up to the server host to prohibit the use of the Garmin GPS device if he wants to. Currently there is no such option AFAIK, which means that people can use it in Cold War missions (and WW2 missions if WW2 birds will also get this device). That's a huge problem, because using such a device in such a mission would be nothing else but cheating or pay2win at the least. :mad: Edited September 11, 2017 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It should be up to the server host to prohibit the use of the Garmin GPS device if he wants to. Currently there is no such option AFAIK, which means that people can use it in Cold War missions (and WW2 missions if WW2 birds will also get this device). That's a huge problem, because using such a device in such a mission would be nothing else but cheating or pay2win at the least. :mad: Is it really? I could agree if the given server ran complete Fog of War, and you couldnt even see your own position. But no servers that Im aware of, do that. Imo the device just adds another level of immersion, but you can easily do without, and just check F10. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Is it really? I could agree if the given server ran complete Fog of War, and you couldnt even see your own position. But no servers that Im aware of, do that. Several do. For instance Burning Skies WWII. All the "F-s" are disabled. It makes even finding the runway at the obscure Normandy airfields a chore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 a-10, su-27 and other planes can load the pre created flight plans on their gps/tad/mfd/abris automatically. why can't this gps do that? creating f/p's would be a torture since most of the waypoints just coordinates, not vor's etc. and no hsi connection, no nav and com radio feature (i am not sure but i guess i heard this on a video) so this device can't reflect its potential to dcs. FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Is it really? I could agree if the given server ran complete Fog of War, and you couldnt even see your own position. But no servers that Im aware of, do that. Imo the device just adds another level of immersion, but you can easily do without, and just check F10. I'm talking about servers where F10 options are disabled of course. And yes, they do exist ;) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 a-10, su-27 and other planes can load the pre created flight plans on their gps/tad/mfd/abris automatically. why can't this gps do that? creating f/p's would be a torture since most of the waypoints just coordinates, not vor's etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Ah sry, wasnt aware. I stand corrected then. But good to know that they are out there, full Fog of War servers. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 thanks for your artwork. but does this guarantee that it will be implemented after early access ends? FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dragon-DK Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Ah sry, wasnt aware. I stand corrected then. But good to know that they are out there, full Fog of War servers. L CTRL + F10 = you are in the middle of the screen. Zoom out and locate where you are :thumbup: Intel I7 4770K, Evga 1080 FE, win10 64Pro, 32GB ram, TracIR 5, Hotas Warthog, MFD Cougar x2, MFG Crosswind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 11, 2017 ED Team Share Posted September 11, 2017 Simply no info from BST on this at the moment. 251 comments and nobody knows if this is just a one trick pony for the MI-8 If it's a generic multipurpose aircraft one, for those aircraft that will support it - it's a buy from me. If it's just for the MI-8 and you expect us to buy it each time for every aircraft we have than you will sour me further with your DLC model and I'll need to consider more carefully in future what companies I support. The whole idea of software is to get around these 'physical' issues. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileron Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 a-10, su-27 and other planes can load the pre created flight plans on their gps/tad/mfd/abris automatically. why can't this gps do that? creating f/p's would be a torture since most of the waypoints just coordinates, not vor's etc. and no hsi connection, no nav and com radio feature (i am not sure but i guess i heard this on a video) so this device can't reflect its potential to dcs. Yea, what bothers me about this whole thing, is why a NAV-COM radio? What they should of done was emulate a GPS-400 instead. Since its really just being used as a GPS unit and isn't driving anything. We don't have a full compliment ATC system, so no SIDs/STARs or Area Control Centers, ATIS, Clearance Delivery, Ground, etc to take advantage of something like this. I fly IFR flights at night in thunderstorms in NTTR with the A10-C using just the HSI and VOR/TACAN/ILS all the time just for the fun of it. So while this peaked my interest, its so gimped and things are so uncertain I just said no... not unless things really change within the sim and its fully integrated with supporting instruments as it would be if you were bothering to buy something like this for an aircraft. Otherwise a hand-held GPS would of sufficed or a GPS-400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospadin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Otherwise a hand-held GPS would of sufficed or a GPS-400. My take is that by building the 430 now, individual developers/modules can decide whether or not to integrate the radios & CDI/HSI data into their panels if they have the budget/time/interest. Allows them to build just 1 version. For flying IFR, just pretend you lost radio contact. Squawk 7600 and follow the F in AVEF =P --gos PS: Improved ATC is also in the works, though obviously it'll be a (relatively long) while... My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonist Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 im with you. but saying "early access" and not posting an intented features list to be complete its not ok. if there is one ill say you are right. if not... early access just means :"Buy it, probably it will be like you want, probably not and we will have your money". I7 7700k - Msi Z270 Gaming+ GTX 1070ti 16gb @2400 2x Samsung 850EVO 250/500 - 1x HDD 1TB SAITEK-MAD CATZ CYBORG FLY 5 STICK WIN 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 They will not have your money if you dont buy it, " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I know this sounds like complete crazy talk, but you don't actually have to buy a new module the first week after it is released. If you are unsure if it's worth buying yet, wait for a complete feature list to be published (like I'm doing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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