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nahhh not true i7: 354,85€ Motherboard 152,85€

 

you safe 7,70€ and get a CPU that runs DCS till 5.2GHz and runs 5G with 3600MHz, that is not common.

 

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I have only dual core (hyperthreading, so 4 virtual cores) skylake I3 6100 3,7ghz and it runs dcs even better than my ex I5 3570k.
Hi Haukka81, your post is very interesting to me for two reasons - I have a 3570k and also a GTX 970.

 

I was wondering, did you overclock the 3570k, and if so, what to?

 

Also, what sort of difference did you see in DCS between the 970 and 1060?

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My 3570 was runing in light oc , about 4.2 ghz , and gtx 660 first , in last months i used gtx970 until i sold it. But dcs has got more updates etc, and i have 1060gtx 6gbs now with my I3 6100 so it may explain lot.

 

Anyway, now dcs runs really fast with my 2560x1440 monitor , but i use rift 99,9 % of time..rift performance is ok.

 

 

But even quite big missions run fine, so im quite sure that fast single core/and fast memory is Number one thing for dcs , after that comes GPU ..

 

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Ductape !!! That fixes ANYTHING :lock:

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Right now I would go for an i5 7600K, a decent custom fan and a mild overclock to about 4.2 GHz. As someone mentioned before, DCS only uses two cores. While the new Ryzens are powerhouses, they are not quite as good at single-threaded performance which is what DCS benefits from most.

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You cant beat the 1600 at that price, the i5 looks obsolete now imho.

 

Pilotasso has shown this very clear, with a fat !

 

Rather put the money in a FAT GPU ;)

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If I had to buy again I wouzld start with a 1080Ti, 32GB-3200MHz+ and then look which is the biggest Ryzen for whatever my wallet has left...and clock it as high as it goes.


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if you only need is to play games Ryzen 5 is an excellent bang for bucks.

 

Ryzen 7 is overkill for just gaming... if you record video and stuff, then the extra threads will help.

 

if you want more cores, the i9 / Ryzen 9 CPUs will be out later this year, 12,14,16 Cores etc etc.

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IMO, the Ryzen 5 1600 is the golden chip of the day. Unless you do heavy video editing, rendering and stuff the Ryzen 7 line is beyond diminishing returns. Sure, DCS, like many other applications and games of today are still very single-thread dependant but buying an i5 today is not like buying an i5 a couple of years ago. It will most likely age much faster, especially considering most mainstream games are on console where multi-threading is the standard. So that leaves the i7's, problem with that is that you can get moar threads for a lower price with the AMD Ryzens. Remember, even the lowest end Ryzen 5 has 4 physical cores and 8 threads, just like an i7. AMD has positioned themselves very smartly with the Ryzen line at an almost perfect point in time. Lest not also forget, if you want to overclock an i5k/i7k then you need Z-line motherboard which cost extra and is Intels way of milking the last drop out of their product line. You don't need that with the Ryzen motherboards. Another thing to consider is, how many times are you willing to spend money upgrading your motherboard, after all the 1151 socket will probably not extend beyond Kaby-X whilst AMD has promised that at least the next gen Ryzen line will be compatible with their current AM4 socket.

 

Personally, I wouldn't invest in an i5 because it will age poorly and the i7 just isn't enough for the demanded price-point any more. Soon Intel won't be able to get away with just good IPC performance, they need to start stacking them cores and removing artificial paywalls, i.e Z-line motherboards and frequent socket upgrades, to be able to compete. If they don't, they will loose considerable market share within a few years.


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Right now I would go for an i5 7600K, a decent custom fan and a mild overclock to about 4.2 GHz. As someone mentioned before, DCS only uses two cores. While the new Ryzens are powerhouses, they are not quite as good at single-threaded performance which is what DCS benefits from most.

 

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An overclocked G3258 is still easily the most bang for buck CPU if you only play DCS, matching the performance I get on my i7 4790K with stock clock.

 

Agreed, most hit 4.5 GHz.

 

I just would not invest in a 2-core CPU nowadays.

 

Still, a remarkable CPU from Intel, I am astonished about it's power in single core games.

 

 

BUT...add things like TiR5, some other apps you may run while gaming or VR and you may experience the limits of a 2-core CPU.

! you need to seriously overvolt it to achieve this ! Degration is imminent.

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2 Cores is good for early 2000's games, most 2007+ Games use more cores/threads and use devices that use threads for processing (TiR, VR, USB Controllers etc).

 

I know people that tried to use the 2 Core Intel Chips, and ended up regretting that decision quickly, specially when Windows Update decided to suck up an entire core by itself in the middle of a gaming session, lol.

 

 

4 should be the minimum to be on the safe side.

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2 Cores is good for early 2000's games, most 2007+ Games use more cores/threads and use devices that use threads for processing (TiR, VR, USB Controllers etc).

 

I know people that tried to use the 2 Core Intel Chips, and ended up regretting that decision quickly, specially when Windows Update decided to suck up an entire core by itself in the middle of a gaming session, lol.

 

That's the problem with the way people think about this. The game you are playing is, by far, not the only thing going on inside the machine.

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2 Cores is good for early 2000's games, most 2007+ Games use more cores/threads and use devices that use threads for processing (TiR, VR, USB Controllers etc).

 

I know people that tried to use the 2 Core Intel Chips, and ended up regretting that decision quickly, specially when Windows Update decided to suck up an entire core by itself in the middle of a gaming session, lol.

 

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That's the problem with the way people think about this. The game you are playing is, by far, not the only thing going on inside the machine.

 

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4 should be the minimum to be on the safe side.

 

 

I got verbaly beaten SO OFTEN for saying exactly this that I gave it up :helpsmilie:

 

I even think a core i5 is a waste of money, but that is worth another discussion :smartass:

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I got verbaly beaten SO OFTEN for saying exactly this that I gave it up :helpsmilie:

 

Some people would do well to spend a week, or two, playing Factorio. Then they will have a much better idea of how finite resources affect trying to do multiple things at the same time. :D

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Six months ago I was considering an i5-7600k and nice Z270 m/b and overclock the CPU to 4.6 Ghz. Now it is difficult if impossible to justify this with the emergence of the Ryzen 5 series. Here in Australia I can grab a Ryzen 5 1600 and a top line m/b like the Asus VI Crosshair for AUD $668. While an Intel i5 7600k and Asus Maximus IX Hero would set me back AUD $734. That's an additional AUD $66 for a lesser 4 core/4 thread system vs AMD's 6 core/12 thread alternative. If I coughed up the extra $66 for the 4 core/4 thread Intel rig, I can see myself in a year or two winging about not having enough cores and threads and how new games run like crap on my rig compared to others with more cores/threads on their CPU. The only justification I can find for the i5-7600k is if you only play old single threaded games and nothing else along with using little to no productivity software. So yeah, right now it's AMD for me unless Eagle Dynamics take another 6 months to release finally a merged and improved DCS platform by which time Intel should have a response with mainstream Coffee Lake i5's and i7's.

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Six months ago I was considering an i5-7600k and nice Z270 m/b and overclock the CPU to 4.6 Ghz. Now it is difficult if impossible to justify this with the emergence of the Ryzen 5 series. Here in Australia I can grab a Ryzen 5 1600 and a top line m/b like the Asus VI Crosshair for AUD $668. While an Intel i5 7600k and Asus Maximus IX Hero would set me back AUD $734. That's an additional AUD $66 for a lesser 4 core/4 thread system vs AMD's 6 core/12 thread alternative. If I coughed up the extra $66 for the 4 core/4 thread Intel rig, I can see myself in a year or two winging about not having enough cores and threads and how new games run like crap on my rig compared to others with more cores/threads on their CPU. The only justification I can find for the i5-7600k is if you only play old single threaded games and nothing else along with using little to no productivity software. So yeah, right now it's AMD for me unless Eagle Dynamics take another 6 months to release finally a merged and improved DCS platform by which time Intel should have a response with mainstream Coffee Lake i5's and i7's.

 

This is exactly the problem, it probably wouldn't have been a year or two ago but now with the Ryzen 5 line poised against the i5's within the same price range, it is hard to justify the premium Intel commands for a quad-core CPU however good the single-threaded performance may be. Even I have a hard time now to choose which upgrade path to take, sure the games I play today are mostly heavily single-threaded (FSX etc.) but it just feels wrong to pay more for less. I think Intel can kill of their i3 line because they basically killed it themselves with the 67€ Pentium G4560 with HT and just put the whole i5 line under 200€ if they want to put some real pressure on AMD because as it stands, within time, people will upgrade and the Intel path isn't that obvious any more.

 

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The Plus side for AMD, w/ the Ryzen Master Software, you can lock DCS to 2 Cores, and Overclock those 2 cores higher and leave the rest lower

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Six months ago I was considering an i5-7600k and nice Z270 m/b and overclock the CPU to 4.6 Ghz. Now it is difficult if impossible to justify this with the emergence of the Ryzen 5 series. Here in Australia I can grab a Ryzen 5 1600 and a top line m/b like the Asus VI Crosshair for AUD $668. While an Intel i5 7600k and Asus Maximus IX Hero would set me back AUD $734. That's an additional AUD $66 for a lesser 4 core/4 thread system vs AMD's 6 core/12 thread alternative. If I coughed up the extra $66 for the 4 core/4 thread Intel rig, I can see myself in a year or two winging about not having enough cores and threads and how new games run like crap on my rig compared to others with more cores/threads on their CPU. The only justification I can find for the i5-7600k is if you only play old single threaded games and nothing else along with using little to no productivity software. So yeah, right now it's AMD for me unless Eagle Dynamics take another 6 months to release finally a merged and improved DCS platform by which time Intel should have a response with mainstream Coffee Lake i5's and i7's.

 

The C6 is overkill for a R5.

 

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I was wondering when Asus would release a cheaper slightly less featured Strix variant.

 

 

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Look for "Pilotasso" and his Ryzen thread, pretty good comparison and I think he's real happy with his Ryzen.

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