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Any news on the status of Modern Air Combat?

 

Haven't really heard much on it lately. I know there's a lot of irons in the proverbial fire...F-16, Supercarrier, continuing evolvement of the Hornet...so, was wondering if there's any updates in MAC's status on it's progression?

 

No other news or mentions that I noticed recently. Surely ED will share when it is appropriate to do so.

 

I would not expect anything this year with regards to MAC.

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Fall will arrive in less than a week. :huh:

 

One, it depends on the part of the world you live in, Two, it was my best guess, and saying fall doesn't at all mean the first day of fall, it very well could be past fall. Again, my best guess.

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Fall will arrive in less than a week. :huh:

Users being this nitpicky is the exact reason ED doesn't share with us as much as they should / want to and have to resort to a carefull selection of what to share how and when.

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Week???

 

Fall will arrive in less than a week. :huh:

 

Where? Here on the Earth? No way.

 

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and saying fall doesn't at all mean the first day of fall.

 

Sorry...I just can’t resist. :) You said: “...by this Fall...”. Sort of like saying, “I’ll be there by 1:00” and not showing up until 1:59 and wondering why I was upset because it’s not 2:00 yet. Come to think of it, that sort of defines my wife’s relationship with time. Nevermind. :)

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Sorry...I just can’t resist. :) You said: “...by this Fall...”. Sort of like saying, “I’ll be there by 1:00” and not showing up until 1:59 and wondering why I was upset because it’s not 2:00 yet. Come to think of it, that sort of defines my wife’s relationship with time. Nevermind. :)

 

Yes, treat all estimates like your wife or significant another saying "I'll be right there". ;)

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Noticed that F-5E Tiger II & L-39ZA is part of the 14 planes on the list. Is this the full fidelity version that sold separately on the Store?

 

All the flyables included in MAC will be the current standalone modules "downgraded" to a "Flaming Cliffs" level, so no clickable pits and limited / easier systems implementations controlled via keyboard shortcuts AFAIK

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Any news or recent updates? I'm really excited to pick up this title. I want to get back into flight simulation and I just don't have the time to devote to DCS because of graduate school. MAC is going to fit me fine.

 

We hope to have news to share soon, work is going well, as soon as we can update you all we will post in the weekly news letter.

 

MAC will be perfect for you if you are busy.

 

Thank you.

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Will all those aircrafts have improved / better / cockpit textures / details / FM ???

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I'm kindof hoping that this will open the way for a few additional aircraft - particularly as they'll be a bit faster/cheaper to model and the lower fidelity modelling of systems means that some newer aircraft might appear.

 

That said, I'd like to see this have the option of compatibility with DCS... and I'd like to see incremental improvements in sensor modelling (e.g. acquisition problems) still make their way into it even if the avionics are simpler... It'd be nice to know more.

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We hope to have news to share soon, work is going well, as soon as we can update you all we will post in the weekly news letter.

 

MAC will be perfect for you if you are busy.

 

Thank you.

 

And thank you for responding. Can't wait to see what tricks you guys have up your sleeves. Modern Air Combat will be a day one purchase for me.

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It will be interesting too see what work has been done on the existing FC aircraft. I dipped my ties into DCS by purchasing FC3 not because of "easy" modelling but because of the aircraft it had on offer.

 

 

I would hope that the Su27 gets some update love as it is looking a bit out of place compared to the other cockpits there. Also would hope, that even though it is not a study based "Sim", the aircraft represented have the same flight models, and avionics modelling as their more detailed clickable cockpit brethren.

 

 

I'm getting into DCS for the Jets but like the simplified approach. There is still a ton to learn with the avionics, flight handling and so on. Not to mention being a VR pilot, I am in a process of trying to map my X52 Pro with as close to possible across the board mappings so that it is easier to jump from one aircraft to another.

 

 

Pity View Centering (button 5) does not seem to be mapable as it is quite needed when my headset suffers from gyro drift.

 

 

Anyway, DCS is performing quite well and MAC looks like a purchase from me too. BAck to learning LOL.

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@draconus: Not trying to ask for detailed aircraft systems but more an accurate simulation of the systems in operation. i.e. weapons, flight model, Auto Pilot, Radar ECM systems strengths and weaknesses and lastly - AI to use the same systems modeled as the Virtual Pilot.

 

Also updated 3D models for cockpit and 4K textures for cockpit. ))

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@draconus: Not trying to ask for detailed aircraft systems but more an accurate simulation of the systems in operation. i.e. weapons, flight model, Auto Pilot, Radar ECM systems strengths and weaknesses and lastly - AI to use the same systems modeled as the Virtual Pilot.

 

Also updated 3D models for cockpit and 4K textures for cockpit. ))

But you have just named a lot of aircraft systems which you are not trying to ask for... I'm confused. Flight models for the playable aircraft are not a problem - they're already all PFM or AFM/AFM+ at least (A-10A, Su-25). AI FM is being in the works (for DCS) but it's a long road and even then it will not be even close to PFM for the next years to come. AI uses the same systems which are available to the human pilot - what do you mean? Advanced weapon, radar or ECM are all part of ASM in hifi modules - no hopes for MAC, DCS has it all in the future work. Autopilot is already well simulated in FC3 - what do you mean?

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Like others are saying, the point of MAC is to entice players from simpler games by providing an in-between experience when it comes to realism vs accessibility.

 

You should not expect this to mean adding more fidelity to FC3 aircraft, it is the other way around, non-FC3 aircraft added to MAC package will get simplified.

 

Also, at this point there is not a single payware aircraft in DCS that use old SFM flight models.

 

This doesn't mean they are all perfect, but they are at least nominally in the higher end of flight model tech in DCS, and has been that way for years.

 

It is not unfeasible interest in MAC may lead into imrpovements later on, but at this point I don't think it is reasonable to expect.

 

MAC, at least what it looks like from what we know at this point, is something that looks like:

A- Get, for example, some of the War Thunder players' feet wet with more high fidelity and larger scale simulation of aircraft.

B- Probably also fill the niche left by old Strike Fighter series of lighter sims.

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