Radar Range and GCI support?

Iirc the RDI radar covers only a certain range (60 km? 80 km?), but the additional range that can be selected in the cockpit is meant for displaying contacts gathered by some sort of GCI.

Now the manual states:

Note: GCI (TAS for its French Initials: Tele Affichage S…) does not use Datalink-16. The

M-2000C cannot receive Datalink-16 data so it cannot communicate nor receive data from

US/NATO AWACS aircraft.

What does this mean for our simulation? Obviously there will be no shared contacts with other NATO aircraft, but will the GCI support be modelled?

And one additional question: no contact sharing via Link-16, but what about contact sharing between M2000C aircraft? Probably not possible in the real thing?

Iirc the RDI radar covers only a certain range (60 km? 80 km?), but the additional range that can be selected in the cockpit is meant for displaying contacts gathered by some sort of GCI.

 

Now the manual states:

 

What does this mean for our simulation? Obviously there will be no shared contacts with other NATO aircraft, but will the GCI support be modelled?

 

And one additional question: no contact sharing via Link-16, but what about contact sharing between M2000C aircraft? Probably not possible in the real thing?

No Link 16 on M-2000C, no fighter-fighter data link either.

There was some kind of GCI => fighter data link, but I think it was for "homeland" air defense, and I don't know if it was used a lot.

We are probably on the edge of what we can expect here. And there are more essential things to fix before that ;)

Iirc the RDI radar covers only a certain range (60 km? 80 km?), but the additional range that can be selected in the cockpit is meant for displaying contacts gathered by some sort of GCI.

 

Now the manual states:

 

What does this mean for our simulation? Obviously there will be no shared contacts with other NATO aircraft, but will the GCI support be modelled?

 

And one additional question: no contact sharing via Link-16, but what about contact sharing between M2000C aircraft? Probably not possible in the real thing?

The Mirage C RDI was not released with Link 16 support. It has support for French ground based radar network, from the limited info we have, it is not a pure datalink connection either. You see all those switches at the edge of the VTB are used to setup the contact that a ground radar tells you, so it is displayed in your screen.

Max detection range for the RDI is 65 nmiles (about 120 Kms). It will show own contacts up to the 80 nmiles display setting. 160 and 320 nmiles display setting are only used with GCI (TAS in French). The idea is to steer the aircraft to a point where the RDI can detect it and guide weapons.

You can see own contacts with the 160 display but since the contact will be close to the bottom of the screen, its practicality is nil.

The Mirage C RDI was not released with Link 16 support. It has support for French ground based radar network, from the limited info we have, it is not a pure datalink connection either. You see all those switches at the edge of the VTB are used to setup the contact that a ground radar tells you, so it is displayed in your screen.

Max detection range for the RDI is 65 nmiles (about 120 Kms). It will show own contacts up to the 80 nmiles display setting. 160 and 320 nmiles display setting are only used with GCI (TAS in French). The idea is to steer the aircraft to a point where the RDI can detect it and guide weapons.

 

You can see own contacts with the 160 display but since the contact will be close to the bottom of the screen, its practicality is nil.

Thanks for clarifying this!

But my main question was, if this would be in fact be implemented in the simulation. For example if we set up a mission with EWR radars and the contacts of those would be shown on our VTB then?

Oh, little confusion in the manual, here, Zeus. TAS is not the acronym for Téléaffichage.

Téléaffichage = indeed, from GCI and as said jojo for homeland. Litteral translation = remote display. It's abbreviated TEL (on the IDN/HSI).

TAS = short for Télémétrie Air Sol => Air-to-Ground Ranging (via the radar).

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Thanks for clarifying this!

 

But my main question was, if this would be in fact be implemented in the simulation. For example if we set up a mission with EWR radars and the contacts of those would be shown on our VTB then?

If this is implemented, not sure if there is time in the schedule for it. It won't work the way you think it does.

Your Ground Controller (GC) will give you the data and you manually input that data in the VTB. Target Range, Elevation, Bearing to target, Speed, Heading, etc. Then the onboard computer will display a blip and based on those criteria will help you intercept it.

At regular intervals your GC will give you updates and you make the changes accordingly and so on and so forth until you get to RDI detection range at which time you just go with your own radar instead of the EWR.

As Azrayen said, the HSI has a special TEL mode that will show bearing and distance to target.

But all of this means that only one target will be shown/tracked, the one assigned by the GC.

This actually brings to the front the real function of the M-2000C: interception of bomber formations. Something that in the nuclear weapons age is highly important.

It would be cool to have this option (= as real as it gets = true dcs module)!

Of course after the radar, hud, ins etc. full implementation.

It's really interesting to know that there isn't a data link, at least the design of this was to implement a virtual contact. I think at the least for me I could be satisfied with what buttons are what function and why there are not implemented. However it does sound like it could be done. Of course its likely to be down the list, I think it was more the knowing what these buttons do. Great info.