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Buy it. Despite all the imperfections, F-16 is the king of BVR in DCS right now. So if you are into PVP BVR, it's gonna be a really rewarding experience.

Love your profile picture. Also, I find it hard to beat a Hornet going vertical, because the Hornet seems to gain energy better than the Viper. Also, the Viper loses energy too fast with the current FM due to AOA problems. I find it easier to keep my speed high and spiral climb with the hornet (2 circle), and to a certain point the Hornet cannot keep up with me, so I just cash my energy and drop down to shoot him.

True. Viper's hotas functions are better. Also better cockpit layout imo compare to the Hornet.

Also it's really weird that the FPS loss does not occur when you look at the sky with the fancy new clouds. Instead it happens when you are flying low or looking at crowded areas like cities or airports with heavy traffic, and the loss is around 30% compare to 2.5.6. I wonder if ED are taking at look at this issue.

Yeah I have tried everything like deleting saved games folder, rolling back my graphic driver to 461.72. Nothing worked. I am going to try reinstalling DCS now. Also deleted saved games folder again before uninstalling the game.

It's not wonderful. Frame loss after 2.7 so no I cannot enjoy the game. A lot of people are experiencing the same performance issue as well. I am not the only one. 2.5.6 was great. 2.7 really brings nothing new for me except those marshmallows in the air and performance loss (I fly the Viper only and not much updates for the Viper). AND I was fine with the old clouds, new clouds are fine but not vital for me. Maybe you like fly around in a fighter jet and enjoy the view. Good for you.

Hornet just kneels down on the runway. That's ugly.

Thanks for the info BIGNEWY. Also it's good to know that there are devs dedicated to work on the flight model. Please send them my best regards! It's better to get it right then get it quick but incorrect. We all have high hope on Viper performing like it does in real life. A deadly dogfighter!

Yeah that's also what I think. Wing tearing off sounds ridiculous, F-16 is not a WW2 plane after all.

I also got frame drops on Caucasus, and it's pretty weird because I get lower frames in the air than on the airport. I say lower frames I mean sometimes the frames will drop for some reason and I was not near or looking a crowded area. Also the overall frames on Caucasus is much lower than 2.5.6. I have already tried deleting the saved games folder for DCS and didn't notice any improvement. I will try to repair and install (I'm on steam so verify game files I guess). Hope it works. Also I just don't get why some people are reporting better frames in 2.7, all I experience is lower fps (not much but definitely about 15-20 fps loss) than 2.5.6, before the update game is super smooth on all maps, but now the game performance is not as good as before. Also, I don't think the new cloud is causing the performance issue, when I look at the clouds my FPS is ok and equal to 2.5.6, but looking at the terrain, worse FPS than previous open beta. My Spec: GTX 1080 i7 7700k 32 GB RAM Playing on 1080p, all effects high, MSAAx2, Terrain shadow FLAT, Vsync off, SSAA, SSLR, SSAO all off

Haven't tested the brakes yet, but it's not the first time that the F-16 dev team has been fixing little stuffs without mentioning in the patch notes. I heard anti-skid is still not fully implemented yet. My guess is that they tweaked the brakes a bit to make them work better.

I tried the F-16 in 2.7. No damage or wing tearing off from 9 G maneuvering with 2 wing tanks, 4 Aim-120s, and 2 Aim-9Xs. Same as before. I doubt wing will tear off in real life, because I don't think USAF will employ a fighter jet that can easily rip its wing off from 9 G maneuvering with 2 wing tanks, over g is very possible in real combat after all. I believe damage is only structural and on pylons maybe.

Thank you for letting us know and keeping the high standards! I will try to patient with the F-16. Could you please provide an estimate on when the Hornet will be out of EA? Thx

The flight model update was the thing I was most excited for, I didn't really care about the new clouds since it's just eye candy for me. According to the patch notes, it seems it didn't make in the 2.7 patch. Jet also felt the same and loses energy too fast which is the same as in 2.5. Also, when are they gonna finish that ugly looking "navy wasp"? Such a struggle waiting for ED to get the F-18 out of EA so they can finally put some effort on the F-16.

Thank you!

Thx for the info. From my calculation, Block 50's TW ratio with increased 1400 lbs of thrust and 1200 lbs of weight is actually slighter better than Block 30's? Why do ppl claim Block 30 has better TW ration than Block 50?

Thx. But somehow I cannot see it. Also checked his profile page, nothing

Hi BIGNEWY, This might be off the topic but your FPS is really good! And it's in 2.7 with new clouds? WOW! Could you please share your spec?

You should try MP PVP BVR and BFM. Loads of fun. AI are boring to fight against. After a while they become way too predictable.

Block 30 is less draggy? Aren't Block 30 and 50 the same aerodynamically? And I don't think Block 30 is "much lighter". Like Mover said, it's just 1000 lbs lighter. Block 50 also has about 1400 lbs more thrust than Block 30. Or should I say "much more" thrust?

Hi Mover! Unfortunately, turning G effect off still doesn't work. The FM of the DCS F-16 is bugged at the moment. It requires too much AOA to reach certain Gs and it bleeds energy way too much. This is what I read from this topic "A DCS clean F-16C-50 needs 23.3deg AOA to reach 8.5G at mach 0.75, while a loaded real life F-16C-50 needs only 15deg AOA to reach 9G at mach 0.67!" ED confirmed it as well. Basically the Viper is a brick in BFM in the current state. Can't outrate anything... well, maybe an A-10

Personally I prefer to push the buttons to start my jet every time, and yes, F-16 is an easy jet to start. But I don't think people should criticize other players who like to auto start their jet because that is realistic or because DCS is supposed to be a hardcore simulation. Playing DCS is supposed to be fun, and people should feel free to do whatever they like in this game (ooops, sorry I meant SIMULATION hahaha).

Hahaha.

This sounds like the HTS pod function. Not sure if it's the same with TGP. Also, by saying SA page, you mean HSD? SA page is for the Hornet.

So this is based on my personal experience in the past few days, not sure if this could work for you, but it's worth a try: Two days ago when I opened DCS and played on some MP servers, I noticed a significant FPS decrease from what I usually get before. In all maps, my FPS ranges from 30-60 fps and was getting some annoying stuttering. It got my attention because I can usually run DCS in MP and get about 70-100 FPS in all maps (1080P, High settings, MSAA x2, Nvidia control panel MFAA on). I have tried all methods but none of them was working. So I decided to clean the dust in my PC, and guess what? FPS went back to normal! 90-110 FPS in Caucasus map MP servers. 70-100 FPS in Persian Gulf. My Spec: I7 7700k GTX1080 32GB Ram SSD Hope this could help some people. Cheers!