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That is a good point. I hope you guys do reconsider. :)

Are you an ED developer? Do you have any connections with the company? Genuinly curious.

I don't think any ED systems are designed to interact with trees. Probably because you can hide them by lowering terrain settings.

Thank you for your explanation. When that is mixed with turbulance, it makes sense to sometimes lose accurate tracking so a laser is required to compensate. Since laser has a limited range, longer than 40km range will not give the best tracking, especially if lost focus. ED has a lot to do to get their pod up to date.

Image pattern recognition in RL is also done through code. It is not some machenical or analogue process. Using laser is more accurate but the underlying technology is not some magic. It all depends on how it is set up in this game. I am asking, is the technology available with WMD-7 as the Litening pod currently behaves like it has this tech. For the sake of game, they obviously dont want all the processing power to be used up by it so they found the magic method. Maybe WMD-7 simply does not have the tech and I am alright with that. I just wanted a simple answer. Maybe this question is too close to spywork and wont be answered so in that case I understand as well.

I do not know how the real one works obviously but is it not that laser is used only for identifying range on screen (I know it is also used for weapons)? Should it not be possible to lock onto the hotspots and image patterns with low accuracy like NATO varients? The camera can see objects like massive ships and other patterns so it should be able to lock to it from farther range.

Is it possible to unselect the target without going out of ACM mode?

Ah ok. Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. Hopefully you guys will find a good balance between range and accuracy. I agree, 7.5nm range is too far for rockets. I have no problem with making them as real as possible. As long as it does not result in a mess we had before this patch. Looking forward to flying this plane after next patch.

Thanks for testing. I was worried since ED has been so critical of JF-17 capabilities lately and Deka remaining quiet or sometimes saying that they wont work on weapons anymore. I genuinly thought this plane was doomed if left on EDs hands alone. I will wait for the next OB patch to see what Deka really intended these rockets to behave like. It sure sounds like this plane is becoming capable again.

Even though Max1mus sounds like he cares for this game, his reasoning comes from the same logic pot which ED stirs in their community. ED reduced SD-10s performance based on CFD they ran on an ingame 3D model of SD-10 alone which I am guessing was not even laser scanned by Deka. They did not believe in Dekas missile characteristics so they made up their own because community cried enough.

What is the rough percentage you are planned for these rockets to hit their target at in the future. You don’t have to be specific but I would like to adjust expectation for future. I am also guessing the range will be below 5nm and above 4nm like you were saying before.

3 Hits on Abrams sounds about correct. I suppose the damage did not change then. What is going on with the hit boxes? I never had problem hitting targets with Mavs or Vikhrs before. Is this something that is happening only with BRM or DCS in general? I want to be excited for this change but with all the changes happening without communication, I dont know if the performance will change yet again in another patch.

Well, since Deka dont post weapon changes in Changelogs anymore, I am not sure how positive this change is. I don't have time to play this game today. I will check them sometime this week. How good is their damage? Other rockers are pretty weak and if this change makes them into proper DCS rockets, the damage might have been affected.

Not sure if this is for the artist to look at since the JF-17 should have shatter canopy glass, not an ejecting one.

So they actually changed the BRM1? Happy days if they are finally not beam riding and hit targets. :thumbup:

Deka already gave up on SD-10. What makes you think they will make PL-15? Also, ED now makes all weapons so good luck asking them.

Sorry mate. I am not spending what little time I have on this jet. I will pick it up once Deka pulls it out of early access by the end of this year. That is, if it is still an enjoyable module at that point. I own plenty other modules to keep me busy for my A2G enjoyment. I am glad you are having fun though. I wish there were more people flying this jet. I have no idea what Deka are doing with this module currently, and like foxwxl said, it is Chinese logic to not communicate their plans. I will just leave them to their secrecy and hope for positive results.

Since ED will now be developing all future weapons, EuroF will have all the copy paste Hornet weapons. Unique weapons will probably come 2 or more years later. :D Oi stop it. Don't you know that nothing is better than AIM-120C? ED has CFD data which proves it. :megalol:

I just wish that ED had more confidence in Deka. They gave in to public outcry too easily. But then again, we didn’t have much material available to us to defend this module other than Deka developer said so.

Take it easy. I am not sure why you have suddenly taken such a negative attitude towards me. Just because I do not agree with your shortsighted and rather stereotypical views does not mean you have to start attacking my actions. The fact that you keep presenting yourself as the best example to get results is rather comical. I was not aware it was hurting you this much to read my comments. I have said before but you chose to ignore it and continued to start a petty fight. I will say it again: foxwxl has finally acknowledged the problem and Uboats has confirmed that it is getting fixed. I see no further reason to continue debating this issue. I find it funny how you use such big words when describing me. I must have some "agenda". ;) TB is OUT? I think.

Again, I am not looking for a petty fight in this forum. Stop selectively reading my posts. You yourself have a rather shortsighted way of looking at things. It is great that you spoke to the tester and he taught you how to use the buggy rocket model. You did not help them discover any issues. It is quite obvious what is going on with this module lateley. We need more clear communication, be it positive or negative. The customers have some right to clarity. The fact that Foxwxl finally acknowledged that there is something wrong with the rocket's code and Uboats confirmed the change of BRM to 25L like guidance has finally provided a solid conclusion to this issue. How you choose to understand my attitude is up to you. I have nothing personal against Deka. I followed the development of this plane from the beginning. They had one of the best module release I have ever seen but in the end, I purchased this module and wish to see it working as advertised.

Apologies, I am not going to get into petty off topic fights with you. Also, I no longer have access to F-16 to provide example anymore. The CBU on it can level a whole airfield in 3 or so circles. I bought JF-17 over F-16 because I was more interested in ground attack and this plane was really good with that. It is good with what it has but then again the Hornet is just as much, if not even more capable multirole jet in DCS now with recent changes. BRM might be useable in current state but definately not logical anymore. Just because this is an Early Access jet, it does not give them free pass from feedback and criticism. I dont have to sit and take whatever pointless reason developers provide to make significant change. Ranting and complaining clearly works. Just look at what happened with SD-10. ED has now taken away the development of weapons from 3rd party developers because of it. Saying all this, I completely understand what you are saying. I am just more passionate about this plane because there is currently no other non NATO jet in the pipeline and the chances of one appearing are looking even less now. This is most likeley the most recent jet we will ever get in DCS and probably the only one to use the latest Chinese weapons. The fact that BRM is a beam riding weapon in this game is a complete fiction so when Deka try to give us other excuses, they do not make sense since this weapon is currently fictional at the core. I makes little sense to me that they are spending development time in adjusting a placeholder weapon which will be scrapped as soon as the actual API becomes available. Their new decision to model it using 25L guidance is more acceptable and I am really looking forward to what it looks like but for now, I will be using Hornet and Viggen for ground strike.

If you consider any DCS jet that can carry CBU-87, they will do way more kills in half that time. Anyway, I am glad to hear they are finally going to make these rockets work properly again. Once BRM work again, I will pick this plane back up. The silent change of SD-10 was annoying enough. I just don't like these sneaky perormance reduction without any initial announcment, evidence or communication. After Deka gave in to ED pressure, their validity in the DCS online community already took impact. To me, this shows clearly since it is very rare to even see JF-17 on non PVP servers around busy european timezone anymore.

By asking your testers to properly do the testing in different scenarios and present you with the results instead of them trying to teach the community to nose dive into enemy until weapon impact? This is something so many people are experiencing. It cannot simply be just all of us. Why don't you present your multiple runs around the same area with various enemy types and show that every single rocket hits and that there is no insane movement happening in one take? Make sure to add your examples of what no sharp maneuvering looks like. I would also like to know why this change was not logged in the patch notes? Furthermore, if it was acknowledged and then fixed in the latest patch, why was this also not mentioned in the patch notes? The SD-10 change was also not mentioned in the patch notes. Did you guys simply forget to add these significant details on patch notes while mentioning every little other change? I have been in these forums for almost two years. Never seen this much missed patch notes surrounding weapons in such short period of time before.

Not sure what you are praising him for. There was nothing mentioned in the patch notes and they are not fixed. The rocket tracking is still a mess.