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    Excellent Viper patch ED! Can we talk about LAU-88 now?

    in Wish List

    Posted

    I don't really have a dog in this fight myself because I plan to continue running wing tanks on 4/6, but here are a couple things for ED to consider:

    1. The newbies getting confused factor -- if the HARM cannot be launched from stations 4/6 then perhaps adding a note on it would be helpful in the loadout screen. Could I suggest "AGM-88C HARM - High Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (Non functional on this station)" or just remove it outright? I think the addition of the little descriptions a couple patches ago was really good. It would have helped me when I was new to DCS and didn't know which bombs were practice bombs, which sidewinders and mavericks were a training/captive version, etc.
    2. I just added a player-flyable Israeli F-16CM bl. 50 in the mission editor now. We were just having a discussion about payloads in this thread https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/277761-inner-wing-pylon-payloads/ and someone posted a photograph of an IAF F-16 with GBU-31 on 4/6 (no idea if it's a bl. 50 or a different block though!). I get that the USAF ANG doesn't have the umbilicals for 4/6, but it would be nice to fly the F-16 for other countries in their configurations. Just something to think about.
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    Excellent Viper patch ED! Can we talk about LAU-88 now?

    in Wish List

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, ASW said:

    If it works like this in real life, then it should be like this.

     

    It does work like this IRL with the ~2007 USAF ANG Viper.

     

    However, one could also mount a GBU-31 on station 4/7 and it wouldn't guide when dropped. But I'm not sure that adding non-functional munitions is a good idea given that it would only serve to confuse newbies.

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    inner wing pylon payloads?

    in DCS: F-16C Viper

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    11 minutes ago, ViFF said:

     

    Its for the purpose of loitering.  When loitering is not expected you can use them for JDAM.  Unlike the USAF ANG, the IAF do not remove the umbilicals from Stations 4 and 6.

     

    Here is a picture from the recent conflict in May 2021 of an Israeli Block 40 of the 101st Squadron with GBU-31 JDAMS on stations 4 and 6:

     

     

     

    Wow! Sidewinders on the wingtips, too! I guess other countries do things a little differently 🙂

    inner wing pylon payloads?

    in DCS: F-16C Viper

    Posted · Edited by Xavven

    2 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

    Does anyone have a good summary of realistic weapon loads for the Viper?  I’d love to set those up as options in the ME, but really don’t know what they are

     

    Here's a thread on it: https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/273522-help-with-realistic-cas-loadouts/?tab=comments#comment-4686507

     

    The following is from information gathered on these forums. I am not a primary source of information.

     

    The basic gist is:

    • No centerline tank, often ECM
    • 4/6 wing tanks
    • 3/7 see below
    • 2/8 sometimes removed if the air threat is low, otherwise 2x AIM-120, or 1x AIM-120 and 1x AIM-9
    • 1/9 2x AIM-120. There are other threads (many of them) on whether sidewinders are sometimes mounted here. The short version is no.

    3/9 AA configs:

    • Usually 1x AIM-120 and 1x AIM-9, or 2x AIM-9.  Having a total of 6x AIM-120 is rare for the USAF but is sometimes done by other countries.

     

    3/9 AG configs commonly seen:

    Mix and match one selection for station 3 and then another for 9. It can be symmetric or asymmetric:

    • LAU-117 with 1x Maverick
    • BRU-57 with 2x GBU-38
    • TER-9A with 2x GBU-12 or newer LJDAMs which we don't have in DCS yet
    • Rocket pod - nowadays it's LAU-131 IIRC but LAU-3 is all we have in the DCS Viper
    • Occasionally a 2000 lb bomb like the GBU-31
    • 1x CBU
    • 1x HARM

    4x Maverick was used in one conflict but is uncommon now. Dumb bombs seem rare now as well. There are also pamphlet dispensers but not implemented in DCS.

     

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    inner wing pylon payloads?

    in DCS: F-16C Viper

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    2 hours ago, Frederf said:

    You can go crazy putting AG weapons on 3467 in multiples but the airplane performs very poorly. Other nations with CFT and a centerline do just fine with modest four station AG loads.

     

    Would I be correct in assuming this is why the US almost always has wing tanks on 4/6? If eight GBU-12 makes the plane perform poorly, and four GBU-12 is a reasonable loadout, then why do one each GBU-12 on 3/4/6/7 and a centerline tank when I could do two each GBU-12 on 3/7 and have fuel on 4/6, right?

    CBU 87/103 Damage issues.

    in Weapon Bugs

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    F-16 CBU-87 vs BMP-2 and BTR-80 - Loose.trkF-16 CBU-87 vs BMP-2 and BTR-80 - Tight.trk

     

    @NineLine I don't want to steal Tippis' thunder so I am not making tracks from his missions. Instead I've made my own mission with an F-16 armed with two (but only dropping one) CBU-87 attacking six BMP-2 and four BTR-80 in a tight and a loose formation. Due to some unknown drift I had to move the steerpoint slighly north of center of the target so that the bomblet coverage was a little bit more centered over the group. I am dropping in CCRP on the steerpoint going 340 knots, straight and level, with altitude hold and steerpoint heading hold to reduce sources of human error.

     

    My results are not similar to the damage shown in Wags' July 11 video at the end where he attacks a column of BMP-2 and BTR-80 with a JSOW-A, causing 4 of them to be destroyed. I am getting a few of them yellow and red but none destroyed.

     

    I realize I'm dropping a CBU-87 with default settings from 3000 ft straight and level, not a JSOW-A, but I don't have a JSOW-A because I don't own the Hornet module. If I'm not mistaken, I can't change HOF or spin rate in the F-16 module.

    CBU 87/103 Damage issues.

    in Weapon Bugs

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    4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

     

    You are assuming that it's the rendering that is the cause of the slowdown, in fact I think that the main issue is the actual ballistic calculations. 

     

     

    Yes, doesn't this solve that issue as well? Don't calculate the ballistics on 200 bomblets, just do 40 of them, and when each one impacts the ground, that's when you create 4 more ground-level explosions.

    CBU 87/103 Damage issues.

    in Weapon Bugs

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    2 hours ago, Tippis said:

    Data, eh…? 😄

    Well, ok then…

     

    -snip-

     

     

    BRAVO! This is 100% in line with my anecdotal experiences. Thank you for putting in the time to get this info. 👏👏👏

     

    2 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

    The problem actually has simulate the BLU-97/B 300 shapers...... x 200 without melted a CPU in a event of infantry / light vehicles / tanks. Ir you like a realistic "soldier kiling", ED need move to make the same situation with a vehicle and build a propper "damage model", no get a 100% kills by a CBU.

     

    This is a good point. I'm not a developer but aren't there some tricks one could use to fudge this a bit? If we can't model all 200 bomblets without a CPU resource issue, then currently if I'm not mistaken the game simulates fewer bomblets and then just increases their blast damage to compensate.

     

    But instead of just increasing blast damage, why not create a few more explosions nearby in a random pattern at just above ground level, without rendering them but only for the purpose of causing damage? Each bomblet suddenly "becomes" 5 bomblets for example but only had to be spawned once, rendered once, ballistically calculated once and only 1 explosion animation with particle effects. This would increase the number of "direct hits" instead of relying on the blast damage model of which some IFVs seem pretty well armored against.

    CBU 87/103 Damage issues.

    in Weapon Bugs

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    2 hours ago, Frederf said:

    I agree. This is a discussion, not a bug report.

     

    Agreed. I think this thread started out as a discussion and then was moved by a moderator to the bugs section, and now we are being told this isn't a proper bug report. I don't think it was ever meant to be a bug report in the first place.

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    CBU 87/103 Damage issues.

    in Weapon Bugs

    Posted

    Your sentiment is echoed on the reddit forums. As you pointed out, this is not really a JSOW problem as that's just the delivery vehicle, but really a BLU-97 issue, and maybe it's connected to the way area of effect damage is handled in DCS in general.

     

    I also wonder if the tank treads of heavy armor would be vulnerable to a CEM in real life. I would love for DCS to implement maneuverability kill.

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    Are HARMs HAS broken in 2.7 stable?

    in DCS: F-16C Viper

    Posted · Edited by Xavven

    I realize this may not be helpful to you because I'm on 2.7.3.8494 open beta, not stable, but I just tested HAS in single player against an SA-11 site and it worked fine. Details:

     

    • Used the template in the mission editor for the SA-11 site with its accompanying command, support, and search radar vehicles.
    • Started at 30,000 ft with 2 wing tanks, 2 HARM (so the HARMS are on pylons 3 and 7), and some AMRAAMs
    • AG-mode, HAS mode, TBL 1, removed everything except 11 from search table, set search to Center.
    • Flew directly toward the site as indicated by RWR, full afterburner, speed 350 on the HUD
    • Locked the 11A symbol when it appeared and launched from 10nm or less range (not sure what the slant range was -- I made this measurement from the F-10 map). Did this twice in quick succession
    • HARMs flew straight toward the target
    • Observed HARMs in F6 view hit near the TEL. They both missed by about 20 feet more or less, but between the two of them it took the TEL down.
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    Should the TGP be this difficult?

    in DCS: F-16C Viper

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    If I'm interpreting what Frederf said correctly, we should wait until the F-16 is finished before making that judgment. It may be that a boresight mode on the TGP is unnecessary because there are even better ways to get sensors on target. For example DTOS or making a markpoint with your JHMCS, which I'm imagining is similar to the DCS A-10C II module today with the scorpion HMCS.

     

    In the meantime, for a target of opportunity where there's no steerpoint nearby, my go-to is to use snowplow mode on the TGP followed by an immediate TMS-right. You're now free to slew the TGP and you have a target designation cursor on the HUD, so now you can put the thing on the thing.

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    Rippling bombs in CCRP - CBU97 vs MK82 why is the center of the ripple different - solved

    in DCS: F-16C Viper

    Posted · Edited by Xavven

    Okay, I was able to reproduce the problem by entering in the incorrect number of ripple pulses.

     

    When you are in PAIR mode, you should divide the ripple pulses in half.

     

    For example, if I have 6 Mk-82 bombs, I could do either Single, ripple 6      OR     Pair, ripple 3

     

    If I do Pair, ripple 6, then the jet is expecting 12 bombs and 6 impact points, and attempting to bracket the target between the first 3 and last 3 impact points. Since I only have 6 bombs, I end up with 3 impact points and they are all short of the target. Does that explain your problem, @darkman222?

     

    EDIT: Okay yeah, I just watched your pair 500 ft track. You have 12 mk-82s total and you did pair, ripple 9. The aircraft is expecting 18 bombs, or put another way, 9 pairs, but you only have 6 pairs, so there are 3 pairs missing that would have fallen past the target. Fix this by setting to pair ripple 6. Each ripple "pulse" releases a pair, so 6 pulses x2 pairs = 12 bombs.

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