StevanJ

Firstly- Its not for everyone, you really need alot of focus, and hand-eye co-ordination. Not many people have it and choose to give up within a day.. Secondly- I have Xplane, so VR is a second nature. But originally, i started on DCS VR controls for a bet. Ended up sticking with it thanks to the ease of the F-18.. I also use the F-16, but the controls arent as smooth as the f-18. That thing seems well optimised for VR, but not perfect. DCS are only just starting to optimise for VR, so Ive a razer gaming pad i use for the more complex controls. If i need to slew my tgp, select a display, toggle FOV, designate etc, i use that. Precision munitions requires a little time to set up anyway and now i have a desk free of wires and clutter.. Air- engagements, are set up in VR on the F-18. So if im flying along, i push my a/a mode button, select the missile i want to use, and pull the trigger when ive a lock.. Same goes for aim 9, look at the enemy with HMD, pull the the trigger. Guns, aim and pull the trigger. Flying with the touch controls is hard- But only at first, once youve committed to it, its actually gets alot easier. It took me 30 minutes to air/air refuel with my HOTAS, and 2 days with the touch controls.. 2 Months ago, there was only 6 of us that did it. Since starting a Discord, we're up to 26. The younger people seem to take it more competitively than me and my friend do, but im just into it for the fun. Helicopters are an enormous amount easier too for obvious reasons.. The Huey with touch controls, is the nearest thing to flying a helicopter ive experienced.

In the f-18, you use the thumbstick.. Point and grab, then push or pull the switch with the thumbstick. I use a razer gaming pad for slew controls, but the f-18 is fully flyable with just the touch controls. Its hard for two weeks, then its easy. I don't even use my HOTAS anymore- unless im on the harrier..

Just fly using the Touch/Index Controllers..

try a vr headset with touch controls.. you may be surprised..

Honestly? I have a Logi G940, and had a Warthog, the feedback from VR is more like a 'sense', than a feel.. There's a deeper connection to the aircraft.. If I fly the the F18 with my HOTAS, i feel like im in control of a machine, if I use the Touch Controls- I feel like 'i am' the machine.. Then there's the huey, which is magical.. There's a two week discipline,if you put your HOTAS away and use the touch controls for two weeks, you'll not go back.. If you 'give it a go' for a couple of days, you'll end up going back to your HOTAS. I argued that my warthog, was miles better than touch controls, until I gave it two weeks, and air to air refuelled with my touch controls. Everyone with VR has the controls, but no-one can air to air with them.. Plus, I've no more cables around my desk, which always annoyed me.

I can appreciate what youre saying, I think its the skill and achievement factor, anyone can air-to-air with a HOTAS after an hour of practice, but not everyone can do it with the Touch Controls, I like that elitism and now ill argue that a HOTAS cant compete with the touch controllers :thumbup:.. When ive my headset on, i just feel totally immersed.. But i can understand its not for everyone..:pilotfly:

I dont use a deadzone in when i fly in VR with the Touch Controls.. The warthog just didnt feel right after i started to use the touch controls, I still use the HOTAS for the Harrier, But after using VR touch controls, its more difficult..

Cargo> F Shaped Barrier

I get you, i had the same issue with a B1 bombing unguided on a moving convoy. I had three options, one, set the convoy to hold at a waypoint until i flew into the trigger zone, activating them on a flag. This resulted in a bombing drop quantity of 'all'- killing most of them as they moved to there next waypoint at 2 knots. two, divided the convoy into three groups of two, the AI bombing the middle convoy on unguided resulted on the last two groups being destroyed as they moved to the next waypoint at 2 knots. three, set up the convoy to arrive at the waypoint 5 seconds after the b1 started its bombing run on a 'attack map' objects, command- resulting in random some might be destroyed or all might be destroyed conclusion. If i changed the plane to an F15E, i could change the accuracy again with altitude and making sure that they werent 'dive bombing.. If any of the aircraft are set to dive bomb, the accuracy is near 100%. I can increase probability of damage with larger iron bombs, and i can increase accuracy with altitude. If you pick 'ground attack', and select 'bomb map object' its more or less, going to give you a more random event.

Hi Holbeach, Can you please show me the AI landing on the ground? Many thanks..

I always struggled with air to air refuelling, i could do it, but i found my limitation in my HOTAS. After i switched to VR, i put two weeks into touch controllers and in my opinion, the sensory change in using the touch controllers is in my opinion hands down easier. The throttle response is smoother and finer, and i can change up a knot or down a know, with more accuracy, and using the VR stick just feel more precise. Maybe my old Warthog had seen better days, or my deadzones were too large, but i still struggle with my HOTAS now, and use touch controls only with the F-18, F-16, and Huey.

Can you give me an example of what you'd like to achieve? Hit a couple of boats? Hit all of them? Hit near them?

Ive had accuracy changes when you set a higher altitudes if you set the ai to 'attack map object'.. If you go considerably higher the accuracy changes dramatically.

Really appreciate the interest, i can get the harrier loaded in a mission and have the AI take off from the ground no problem, but i cant have the Harrier AI land.. Im looking for the answer to that if you can.. Many thanks..

Okay, ill have a look and try a few things out, What about the AI, how do i get them to land on the 'Road side FARP'?

Sorry guys, what i mean- I make a mission where im on the ground. Literally in the middle of a field far far away. Can i refuel? What statics? Or ground units would i need, to enable me to refuel from that point? Also, what happens to my wingman? And how do i have him set down in that field with me? Many thanks..

Ive just checked in the mission editor, as long as the weight is under 20500 it does a little shuffle forward, then takes off vertical, then into forward flight at about 150ft high. Any reason why it wont land on the ground though?

Ive noticed the harrier can take off from the ground, like a helicopter.. Does anyone know if there are requirements to enable a player to refuel from a road side base/farp? Ie do i need a fueler and something, and something else ?

So i found this .Lua file, Is there a way to link a trigger to the -[Message.wMsgTankerRefuelingComplete] Under the dialogue stages? Many thanks.. \Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Scripts\UI\RadioCommandDialogPanel\Config\Common

You sir.. Are my saviour!! How can i thank you?

you've really done me a big favour! I appreciate it.. I said the same thing, I gave it a full week, then tidied the hotas away. mig19? i only use the beta, if that helps? im not going to sell it yet, every now and then I get into the harrier.. so, ill sell it when that goes full vr.. thanks baldrick33!

VR on high, on an i3, 8gb 2666, and a 2080ti plugged in for a laugh..

So ive always used a Razer Tartarus even when i had my HOTAS set up, its incredibly handy with the Ka-50, but i honestly never use that module, I use the Huey, nearly every day, as you can fly that fully compatible with the touch controls (with the exception of rudder), all you need do is trim left rudder, get into a hover, trim a little until correct. Then go fly your mission.. A friend of mine convinced me, and i was blown away by the improvement on stick and throttle accuracy, versus my HOTAS. After a while, you feel a sort of instinct kick in, where you know if you pull quick and sharp on collective, the torque spins you.. If you drop the collective quick and sharp, you spin the other way.. Once you get that 'instinct' you kind of feel the aircraft through your hands, and the sound of the rotors, within a week of starting i was landing in stupid places just for fun. If im on a huey mission, ill only press the keyboard once to trim rudder. If i fly the FA18, i use the Razer but only for weapons and NWS, i can use rudder- stick and throttle on the FA-18 through the touch controllers, so its easier to taxi, takeoff air-to-air and land with the touch than it is on my HOTAS. Ill do all my flying 'in cockpit' and only ever really use the Razer to turn off NWS, and after ive switched on AutoPilot in the cockpit, ill use it for the TGP and/or weapon release.. The VR in the F-18 is still pretty early on, so im looking forward to see where it goes in the next few years, the Harrier 'Nozzle' control was able to be VR touch controlled last time i checked, so im sure that module will soon be implemented. But ive heard great things about the Mirage, and the Viggen, and it would be great if someone could tell me if those modules are 'touch compatible' (ie fly them by grabbing the stick with my virtual hands like the FA-18, because they are next on my list. The Mig-19 is, but the Mig-21 isnt, so having classification on the modules that do and dont work, would be perfect. I dont want to buy a module, and have to set up my HOTAS. Do you have the Mirage? Or Viggen, could you tell me i they are Touch Controller compatible (ie grab the stick and throttle with the VR hands)?

yeah, I know.. I've a warthog hotas sat on my shelf.. After a month using the touch/hand controllers to fly the f18, and huey I just can't go back.. the immersion isn't there.. do you know, if the mirage or viggen are touch control compatible? ie, I can fly the stick and throttle with the touch controls? I really want them, but I don't want to have to use my horas, id rather ebay it.

Im looking to buy another module, but I only use the touch controls to fly? Is there a list of modules that are compatible with the touch controls, specifically 3rd party as I know ED's are compatible..