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A10Yoda 01-15-2020 04:05 AM

P38L
 
With Bong and the P38L being one of the most decorated aircraft of WWII, why hasn't this aircraft been modeled yet?

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JG13~Wulf 01-15-2020 11:34 AM

Maybe because it's a twin engine and it's more complex. I think the reason the first twin engine warbird ED is creating is Mosquito is because it's the same engine (or almost the same) as we have in the spitfire.

Would buy the P38 as first day when released. But I imagine it's something that will come later.
This is my favorite Us warbird :D

DD_Fenrir 01-15-2020 12:17 PM

You and I have something in common Wulf! :smilewink:

I too would very much like to see the P-38 in game, however, the systems on the actual aircraft were very complex and I'm with Wulf in that it probably is not the best candidate to test out the physics of twin engine props in DCS.

When venturing into new territory with any scientific endeavour it is best to remove as many variables as possible; with the Mossie the engine models are a known quantity and have been for some time, so any potential issues with the flight dynamics would unlikely be down to a faulty parameter within the engine code - this will help them nail down the cause of any bugs faster and thus resolve them more quickly.

I suspect once the Mossie is out the P-38 would be a likely candidate for the next WW2 prop module as it fits the planeset and/or maps we have quite nicely.

Though they may select the P-40 or even P-39 first to get a single engine Allison engine aircraft in game first, getting a good solid model of that powerplant working before pushing on to the complexity of the P-38 and it's turbo and intercooler systems.

grafspee 01-15-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by A10Yoda (Post 4174511)
With Bong and the P38L being one of the most decorated aircraft of WWII, why hasn't this aircraft been modeled yet?

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Maybe it is but average person asked what planes were flying during WW2 will be spitfire or p-51.
Almost every person which i talked had no idea what p-38 was.
The same with Hurricane and Spitfire. Spitfire is taged as plane which won Battle for Britain but real work horse was Hurricane

Richard Dastardly 01-16-2020 06:00 AM

Fairly sure we know exactly what planes we're getting, wasn't it listed on the kickstarter?

P-38 might be a big deal for the Pacific, but for Normandy '44, not really.

JG13~Wulf 01-16-2020 06:45 AM

P38 was one the most used plane in Europe as it was, with the P47, the only plane that could escort bomber to germany before P51 was avaible.

I think this plane will come as soon as possible as it is one of the most well known plane and as it was used on every front (except in Russia).

US and Britih pilots use it during war.
Even French pilots fly some of them (like Saint-Exupéry).

Richard Dastardly 01-17-2020 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JG13~Wulf (Post 4175855)
P38 was one the most used plane in Europe as it was, with the P47, the only plane that could escort bomber to germany before P51 was avaible.

Yes, but the P-51 kinda pushed it aside in the ETO fairly fast, it just didn't really work too well in Europe for a variety of reasons. Would seem to fit more naturally in a Pacific theatre aircraft group, if they do one. This is the wishlist for the European theatre though...

The RAF ordered some, tried a few & sent them back because they didn't like them.

JG13~Wulf 01-17-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Dastardly (Post 4177025)
Yes, but the P-51 kinda pushed it aside in the ETO fairly fast, it just didn't really work too well in Europe for a variety of reasons. Would seem to fit more naturally in a Pacific theatre aircraft group, if they do one. This is the wishlist for the European theatre though...

The RAF ordered some, tried a few & sent them back because they didn't like them.

I didn't agree with you. It's an important plane in Europe too.
It was used as a fighter, ground attack and recon plane in Europe from 1942 to 1945.
There was less P38 than P51 in Europe. But there was still lot of them in use.

This is a quite important plane for this front.

Ps: Raf didn't like the P51 at first too.

grafspee 01-17-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JG13~Wulf (Post 4177237)
I didn't agree with you. It's an important plane in Europe too.
It was used as a fighter, ground attack and recon plane in Europe from 1942 to 1945.
There was less P38 than P51 in Europe. But there was still lot of them in use.

This is a quite important plane for this front.

Ps: Raf didn't like the P51 at first too.

Only one thing is preventing P-38 from being the best fighter/bomber.
Max Mach 0.65 if i remember correctly.
Core of the plane is engine P-38 has 2 engines this makes this plane significant increase in hours required for build. It is logical that they were not as common as single engine fighters

JG13~Wulf 01-17-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by grafspee (Post 4177263)
Only one thing is preventing P-38 from being the best fighter/bomber.
Max Mach 0.65 if i remember correctly.
Core of the plane is engine P-38 has 2 engines this makes this plane significant increase in hours required for build. It is logical that they were not as common as single engine fighters

I don't remember max speed of it. But it was told that the P38 was the fastest twin engine fighter of the war (not talking about jet and Do 335). I remember it can get over 600 km/h at some altitude because of it's design. But his design had a major problem. Air hitting the wing when the plane is at high speed didn't get to the tail. Lot of early Lightning crash because it was impossible to pull up when it was in high speed dive. That why they add the air brakes.

That a plane that can do a lot but that is really dangerous ! I like it ! :)


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