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Gruman 09-30-2019 03:00 PM

Hmm, thats interesting. I guess you are also using the most up to date version of VRK, correct?
I might try a reinstall on my Surface then. Wierd.

Habu_69 10-01-2019 02:33 AM

Using v1.1.3.11

AMVI_Rider 10-01-2019 11:02 AM

Hey Gruman,
thank you, I thought later about the opportunity of posting in the input section too, but I'm not sure if forum policy allows cross-posting. Anyway if the tool will be good enough I think the voice will spread anyway by forum members :smilewink:

Can you post a screenshot of the distortion you are describing? I can try to replicate the issue as far as I better understand the issue.
In the upcoming 1.1.3.12 there will be the possibility to choose what side of the kneeboard to put the tabs (and the bookmarks) to better use the available extra space. Still, the distortion should not happen.

The kneeboard is visible on SteamVR home also, so, you can position it without launching DCS. In 1.1.3.12 there will be the apply button on the config window to ease the operation. It seems that DCS is not starting in SteamVR mode, have you put/checked the option in the launch link? Is DCS showing in the SteamVR "Display Mirror" window?
Two additional notes:
- each time you close the config window with Ok, the seated position is reset, so keep the visor in a position compatible with your head when you press ok. (I will change this behavior soon).
- if you look to the kneeboard from behind it will not show: I don't know yet how to make the overlay double-sided.

I voluntary didn't put any button to go back to win mode to avoid hitting it by mistake (same applies for the upper toolbar that can be called back with Ctrl-Alt-T). The way it is supposed to go back to windows apps is to use windows button of your device. Then operate via windows taskbar. Is physical windows button available on the surface?
Anyway it is easy to put a button to switch from fullscreen to windowed if this is not enough for usability.

About pen tablets sizes it strictly depends on you and your cockpit. Bigger tablets are little invasive but I feel writing text easier. If you have space and on the side and you are tall enough it may be good. In my case (I'm 1.80m) the H950P takes almost the full length of my leg to the knee (see post #37).
The other size is the Intuos S / H640P / HS64 which is very appreciated by the community. There have a smaller drawing surface but they also fits very well for strapping.
My suggestion is to start with the small size. In the worst case you'll find writing less comfortable and you may switch to a bigger size (if cost is not a problem).

Cheers

Gruman 10-01-2019 12:02 PM

Oh, the ability to read would make things a lot easier.
Yep, I definitly started DCS with Oculus Running and just had SteamVR passive in the background.
That explains a lot :). Will try the force_steam_VR command tonight. Will provide a screen of the distroted view as well, but I will try a reinstall on the Surface Pro 4 first.

Thanks for the tipps. Appreciate it.

Driskill 10-01-2019 02:27 PM

Kaspersky wont let me install the VRK
 
Hi everybody,


i really like the idea of having a working kneeboard including the option to take notes. When i read about VRK, i ordered a kneeboard to strap on and also an Intuos S. Now the Problem. Kaspersky wont let me install the programm as it detects it as a keylogger and some kind of Win32 generic threat. Does anyone else have the same problem?


Thnx

Gruman 10-01-2019 03:07 PM

My GData doesnt complain. Just add an exception for VRK and you should be good to go.
Please report about the usability of the Wacom Intuos S. Would be a nice option for me as well.

So, tried out. Launching DCS with STEAM VR worked (of course it did ;-)). The reinstall didnt help with the distrotion. Here is a link to a screenshot: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AuUmp94NyNrf41Fy...znBg8?e=A2BJ5K.
When I try to write on the Surface Pro, the position of the pen isnt the same as on the kneeboard.

Thanks.

AMVI_Rider 10-02-2019 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driskill (Post 4052804)
Hi everybody,


i really like the idea of having a working kneeboard including the option to take notes. When i read about VRK, i ordered a kneeboard to strap on and also an Intuos S. Now the Problem. Kaspersky wont let me install the programm as it detects it as a keylogger and some kind of Win32 generic threat. Does anyone else have the same problem?


Thnx

I just tried with Kasperky VirusDesk (passing all the files contained in the installation) and it reports that no issues were found.
This report may came from the heuristic engine of the AV, if you send me a screenshot of the AV message I can try to look deeper.
As Gruman suggested you can add VRK to the ignore list and just use it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gruman (Post 4052852)
My GData doesnt complain. Just add an exception for VRK and you should be good to go.
Please report about the usability of the Wacom Intuos S. Would be a nice option for me as well.

So, tried out. Launching DCS with STEAM VR worked (of course it did ;-)). The reinstall didnt help with the distrotion. Here is a link to a screenshot: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AuUmp94NyNrf41Fy...znBg8?e=A2BJ5K.
When I try to write on the Surface Pro, the position of the pen isnt the same as on the kneeboard.

Thanks.

It seems an aspect ratio problem, can you share your original PDF with me?
About the position, it's something I need to investigate: yours is not the first report on the pen/display offset.
One little thing: when you use the Surface be sure to have WinTab disabled.

Gruman 10-02-2019 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMVI_Rider (Post 4053757)
It seems an aspect ratio problem, can you share your original PDF with me?
About the position, it's something I need to investigate: yours is not the first report on the pen/display offset.
One little thing: when you use the Surface be sure to have WinTab disabled.

I think my pdf was a bad example. Its a PDF in Landscape I downloaded somewhere. I will try it with a better reference on Friday. But the same happens to a empty notepad.
What format of the PDF would be the best? DIN A4 or US Letter? Does it matter?

WinTab was disabled.

I will purchase a WACOM Intuos S until the weekend, so I wont use the surface in the future. This thing gets way to hot and since the battery is fubar anyway, I cannot use it for long (even plugged in). But I will provide the feedback to find the issue.

Thanks a lot.

AMVI_Rider 10-02-2019 11:21 AM

I own the Intuos S, the pros:
- good quality
- tablet button are very well recognizable without looking (anyway on my Huion I put some tape close to buttons to recognize them)
- BT/battery option

the bad:
- tablet buttons are very sensitive, it happens sometimes to hit them by mistake
- cost is higher than Huions
- "only" 4 buttons

Pen operation is at par to Huions for VRK use.

VRK is measuring the document size and try to match it, but the expected layout of the document is portrait. I had a document similar to yours and I split it in two. Also, the 9-line is best used into a "Form" tab.

Gruman 10-02-2019 12:13 PM

Currently looking at a second hand one which was barely used for 35€. So I expect it to be cheaper than trying to buy a Huions (Amazon doesnt deliver to Switzerland).

But Thank you :)


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