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Cunning_Fox 12-14-2018 08:11 AM

High Level bombing
 
Would be nice to get some tips on this as its impossible to bomb some things in the Campaign for the 15bis due to AAA and MANPADs.

I am trying to bomb things from 5,000 meters AGL, so far my bombs land about 100 meters short.

I was wondering if anyone has been succesfully level flight bombing enemies into oblivion from higher alt.

David OC 12-14-2018 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunning_Fox (Post 3720161)
Would be nice to get some tips on this as its impossible to bomb some things in the Campaign for the 15bis due to AAA and MANPADs.

I am trying to bomb things from 5,000 meters AGL, so far my bombs land about 100 meters short.

I was wondering if anyone has been succesfully level flight bombing enemies into oblivion from higher alt.


At 16,000 feet / 5000 meters.....Only with the A-10C with GPU's, JDAM's and targeting pod etc.:D

100 meters is good from that height, she's old school. You basically need to get up real close and drop on their head.

What year is the Campaign set in..? AAA would be OK, MANPADs for this type of jet is a bit much to deal with.

First flight 1947, not many MANPADs around back then.





Cunning_Fox 12-16-2018 01:53 AM

You know, I do know how to bomb with old aircraft - I have been studying them for 30 years now and flying for that much too (sim or otherwise). Thanks for the background, but I was asking a specific question, not "how it was done back in the day".

So let me repeat myself - what I'm asking is if anyone has trained themselves to bomb from that height - please let me know the method. The only one I can think of is going 600 km/h @ 5000 AGL and counting after the target disappears under your nose. FAB-100M falls like a brick. I get usually 100 meter faults due to not being able to keep the altitude.


I'm doing the godawful Museum Relic campagin and I'm dropping my bombs on the Hill 39 before I engage the 25s.

WildBillKelsoe 12-16-2018 04:52 PM

maybe use tacview and possibly create your own template?

Cunning_Fox 12-17-2018 02:04 AM

Yeah, but has anyone actually done it, and if so - what are your templates?

Apache600 12-17-2018 10:27 PM

CCRP style bombing from high alt in a fighter that only has forward looking iron sights would be next to impossible.

My question for you is, why do you have to bomb the hill? Hasn't a new threat presented itself? Get rid of that weight.

71st_AH Rob 12-17-2018 11:51 PM

Bombing in these early jet fighters was essentially the same as WWII piston engine fighters. It was a secondary role and was done by dive bombing, with or without the assistance of some sort of mechanical computer and the gunsight.

Cunning_Fox 12-18-2018 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Apache600 (Post 3723922)
CCRP style bombing from high alt in a fighter that only has forward looking iron sights would be next to impossible.

My question for you is, why do you have to bomb the hill? Hasn't a new threat presented itself? Get rid of that weight.


I assumed that since I have bombs, I have to make use of them, because Matova don't have much to spare, especially for a museum relic like this one.

(Immersion!)

So what I've done is I levelled off and proceeded to bomb from 5,000 meters to avoid the IR missiles. I had to look at the river on the right side to guage my position. It actually worked.

The reason I'm asking is because the AI can do it from anywhere and they hit the spot. And in level flight, AFAIK, so I thought there is some kind of pilot Voodoo I didn't know about this.

AeriaGloria 12-18-2018 09:49 AM

Well if the AI can do it, why not have them do it. Save and play the track, and then jump into the cockpit of the AI without taking control and watch it’s airpspeed alt and position

71st_AH Rob 12-18-2018 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunning_Fox (Post 3724049)
The reason I'm asking is because the AI can do it from anywhere and they hit the spot. And in level flight, AFAIK, so I thought there is some kind of pilot Voodoo I didn't know about this.


The AI do not fly it like it was a MiG-15, they fly it like a modern jet with a HUD using CCIP or CCRP to hit the target. The



Hopefully this will be corrected when they have a general look at the AI behavior after they fix the ATC, GCI etc etc....


The Sabre AI has been fixed after-all and no longer use the radar gun-sight to begin BVR engagements like an F-15


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