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slowfinger23 09-30-2018 10:30 PM

MIRAGE 2000-5 Up-Grade
 
Cheers.
My request is difficult for advance, but, we need it badly to counteract American AIM 120 Amraams FOX3 missiles with Mica Up-Grades used in the -5 improved model.
We need to upgrade our beauty with more sophisticated medium range fire and forget missiles.
Please, try to see if this request is possible in the near future.

Thanks RASBAM for all your effort.

Queridos diseñadores, les ruego vean la posibilidad preliminar de analizar vuestras capacidades de hacer el up-grade -5 ( Greek model version ) a nuestros Mirage o simplemente el F-18 no tendrá oponente alguno.
Solo debido a la agilidad del M2C es que por ahora es el único que le ofrece peligro al F-18 ( guns-guns ), pero en BVR la desventaja es total debido a la cantidad de misiles que puede portar y la capacidad de fox3 a mayor distancia. El misil Mica es la solución con un mejor sistema de SA y RDR mas avanzado, osea, el M2000-5.

Muchas gracias por vuestra paciencia.

MrDieing 10-01-2018 06:17 AM

Probably the 25th time somebody asked for this. It is not going to happen. Period.

kreisch 10-01-2018 07:51 AM

You do not need bigger boom sticks to counter the aim120c. Learn how to employ notching and you will be fine, reducing the advantage of the 120c to a minimum ;)

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Oceandar 10-01-2018 09:33 AM

Assuming against good pilot in MP, notching is not enough. You need wingmans and good coordination. Whatever tactics you might employ against AIM-120 launcher platform the M2K still in huge disadvantage. But thats another topic.

Now back to OP wish, iirc thats not gonna happens. Probably not in 25 years lol. Of course I hope I'm wrong.

33-DFTC 10-01-2018 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDieing (Post 3640595)
Probably the 25th time somebody asked for this. It is not going to happen. Period.

Has Razbam announced that they will never do a 2000-5 ? If someone asked about à -9 I would agree that the AdA would prevent it to be done, but a -5, I'm not so sure.

drPhibes 10-01-2018 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33-DFTC (Post 3640883)
Has Razbam announced that they will never do a 2000-5 ? If someone asked about à -9 I would agree that the AdA would prevent it to be done, but a -5, I'm not so sure.


There are no indications that the situation described here has changed during the past three years:



https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...postcount=3968
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...77&postcount=4


So to put it simple, forget the 2000-5. It won't happen anytime soon.

slowfinger23 10-01-2018 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDieing (Post 3640595)
Probably the 25th time somebody asked for this. It is not going to happen. Period.

MrDieing.
First of all my request is for RASBAN, so your answered is for you, or you belong to RASBAM Team??. If you are, let me tell you that your aren't helping your team business , pretty bad policy. If you don't, well, let me ask what ever I want, specially this plausible request to this great Team.

jojo 10-01-2018 04:01 PM

We often see people requesting X or Y fighter.

I would like a Mirage 2000-5 or even better, a Rafale

The problem is what amount of data the team can collect to simulate these planes to level requires by DCS.

You can try to look by yourself, and you will see it's complicated to find enough data about Mirage 2000-5 weapon system. And believe me, I tried hard.

We can't really say "it will never happen".
But Razbam didn't announced any Mirage 2000 family expansion.

Mirage 2000C is fine in Cold War/ Desert Storm scenario when everyone had Fox 1.

Kang 10-01-2018 04:17 PM

To be honest, even if it was possible to obtain all the necessary data, I think after a quick look around here that Razbam has so many DCS projects in the pipeline right now, it might just be enough for the moment.

slowfinger23 10-01-2018 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kreisch (Post 3640643)
You do not need bigger boom sticks to counter the aim120c. Learn how to employ notching and you will be fine, reducing the advantage of the 120c to a minimum ;)

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Kreisch,
I understand your point but I reject that possibility if your fighting not an IA.
If you watch my post carefully , is all about to counteract the "8" AIM 120 that the F-18 can carry. You may defeat 2 or 3 of them not all 8's, so, you will need more than 2 M2Kc to have a real PK.
More over, in my youth i flew 5 years the F-5E Part III in air combat, so i know very well tactics BFM, TAC'S etc. Yes, is an old platform but fitted with good AIM 9's and Derby BVR missile, tactics change a lot. If I were flying an F-18 against 2 M2Kc's , i will try first to put de enemies in my envelope, ground, sea, etc, ( i'll choose my AO ) Second, i'll tray to put in defensive stage both M2 by launching 2 , 3 or 4 Amraams first, maintaining my energy and preventing the energy gain of my opponents, but if i loose the advantage i'll disengage to over a 30 or more nm. and then start all again if i'm not in Bingo parameters. I will still have the advantage to choose to engage or not, and all of that bcse, my more advance AA systems.
Cheers.


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