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tusler 05-26-2018 05:58 PM

Why is it So hard to land the MI 8
 
I love flying all the helo's including the MI 8 , I have very little difficulty landing the KA 50, the Huey or the Gazelle but when it comes to the 8 I windup chasing the VSI and it gets into VRS so easy and drops like a rock, if I try to come in and hover then land, a rolling landing is easy,but there are times when thats not possible. I am using a warthog hotas, is there special curves or a secret incantation or maybe I need one stiff drink, whats the secret?
Thanks I hate sucking at landing :crash:

ebabil 05-26-2018 06:13 PM

Actually it is not very different from uh-1 while landing.
But as you said, it gets to vrs much more easly. So don't let your heli to descent too fast. add power constantly. And try to get hover state as low as possible. It can get caught by vrs even about 40 meters. And its doppler hover indicator is very helpful

i am no where of being pro on this btw

msalama 05-26-2018 07:07 PM

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whats the secret?
There is no secret, you just have to watch your vertical speed and add collective as you slow down. That literally is all there is to it.

SnorreSelmer 05-26-2018 07:20 PM

Maintain a 2-3m/s descent, watch out for the vibration (that's not VRS, it's just the transition from flight to hover) and start adding collective when it starts. Keep the descent above -3m/s when in the hover region. Also, don't yank on the collective, you'll only shoot upwards and possibly lower rotor RPM to the point where the generators disengage for a short while.

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tusler 05-26-2018 08:24 PM

Yes I agree with all the advice, I will have to put in a dedicated practice effort to master the transition to hover and landing I guess. I know one thing is with my warthog throttle it is difficult to move the collective in small increments, I watch the utube videos and see folks keeping the vsi at the 3 m/s all the way down, my control will not let me do that in its current configuration. I make a tiny movement and it translates to a to large movement in game. Thanks for the response, I'll get it eventually.

smallberries 05-27-2018 01:23 AM

Lastly, expect some really strong ground effect when you get within a couple of meters of the ground, and you have to maintain some rear/right cyclic, enough that you will touchdown on your right rear wheel first.

Mr_sukebe 05-27-2018 08:10 AM

One thing I found that made it easier was to descend to low altitude whilst maintaining forward speed. That means you don’t have a large height through which you have the chance to be too gung ho on your VSI. Does mean that you’ll need to have better skills in braking whilst maintaining the same altitude.

Holton181 05-27-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tusler (Post 3498382)
I know one thing is with my warthog throttle it is difficult to move the collective in small increments...

If feasible for you, attach a stick with the length of roughly 40cm to your warthog (tape, super glue, welding or what not), reverse the axis in settings and put it on a stool on your left side as a real collective. Will do miracles. You won't be able to use any buttons though...

Whisper 05-27-2018 07:12 PM

As much as you can, stop your bird as low as possible. Idealy, you stop only on touchdown

AG-51_Razor 05-27-2018 07:35 PM

Like most of the modules in this sim, I suppose that it is just a matter of how much time and effort you put into one before you become adept/comfortable with it in all regimes of flight. Most of my squad mates prefer the Huey over the Mi-8 but for me, the Hip is the most realistically recreated helicopter in DCS world and I really enjoy the challenge of flying it. I make my approaches and landings with one eye on the airspeed and the other on the vertical speed. Try not to let your vertical speed ever dip below 300 MPS with your airspeed less that 100KPH. If it does, raising the collective is a sure fire way to get into settling with power/vortex ring state. Just lower the nose and pick up some speed and go around! Work on making your approaches shallower than you think they should be. Start slowing down earlier than you think you should.


One exercise that I have found useful, is to get out on a runway at about a 100 foot hover and transition to forward flight without climbing, and accelerate to about 150KPH and then begin a deceleration back to a hover, holding that same 100 feet throughout the maneuver. It is a great coordination exercise that teaches you what to do with each one of the controls. Do this a couple of times and then go fly around for a little bit and then come back to the runway and try it again. I think you will find this a very good training exercise - in any of the helicopters available in DCS. I use it while training pilots in the real world and it is very effective.


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