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Coxy_99 08-22-2019 07:52 PM

SU-27 vertical scan
 
Vertical scan is picking up missiles but not the aircraft every time in vertical scan is this normal? This needs to be looked into.

pepin1234 08-22-2019 08:02 PM

Could happen depend of the situation. it is happening many times?

Coxy_99 08-22-2019 08:11 PM

ALL the time everytime.

AeriaGloria 08-22-2019 09:54 PM

Yeah. Really surprising when you go straight for that amraam and take it out with R-73

100KIAP_Falcon 08-22-2019 10:11 PM

Vertical Scan can't pick up any target without afterburners above 8km. So if target is on idle and launch missile at range ~9-10km there is big chance that your VS lock some missile instead bandit.
BTW i didn't notice any problem with VS. (need check that... who know, maybe...)

AeriaGloria 08-23-2019 01:39 AM

Honestly it’s a pretty good defense against the AIM-9X, since flaring them is like playing the lottery

Oceandar 08-23-2019 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coxy_99 (Post 4016688)
Vertical scan is picking up missiles but not the aircraft every time in vertical scan is this normal? This needs to be looked into.

Its not something new but when it happens frequently then there's something seems not right. But look at bright side, we can use it as troll tool for F-14 launching Phoenix. Couple days ago I made a quick mission against Tomcat BVR 50 miles separated from me (I flied Su-27). I shot down Phoenix in vertical scan mode with Archer. No need crazy maneuver and fancy notching just straight level heading to it. You only need sharp eyes and strong nerves lol.

AeriaGloria 08-24-2019 05:25 AM

Especially when the Beryoza points you right to it!

DarkFire 09-28-2019 02:11 AM

Are we talking about radar vertical scan or EOS?

AeriaGloria 09-28-2019 02:15 AM

EOS I’m sure

Frostie 09-29-2019 01:05 PM

EOS vertical scan.

DarkFire 09-30-2019 06:14 PM

I've always thought EOS detection was a bit strange. I've managed to pick up large (e.g. a tanker) targets at well beyond the range at which they appear on radar yet it fails to find a tail aspect fighter at 20nm that has both burners on.

Not sure what the answer is, but it is vaguely amusing to have your own anti-missile missile system.

Oceandar 10-02-2019 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFire (Post 4051979)
I've always thought EOS detection was a bit strange. I've managed to pick up large (e.g. a tanker) targets at well beyond the range at which they appear on radar yet it fails to find a tail aspect fighter at 20nm that has both burners on.

Not sure what the answer is, but it is vaguely amusing to have your own anti-missile missile system.

It has been like that since ......well quite long. Good news is Chizh said they will make some adjustment for Hornet IR signature to be a bit bigger than we have now. So Hornet jockey....be aware lol. As for other modules he leaves that to other 3rd parties dev to decide.

You can read it on Russian forum. It was asked by Teknetenium.

stefasaki 11-15-2019 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeriaGloria (Post 4016933)
Honestly it’s a pretty good defense against the AIM-9X, since flaring them is like playing the lottery

You can actually learn how to avoid an AIM-9X, a 9g turn with your wings in the same plane as the missile's velocity vector will lead to a miss around 90% of the time. You need to be at cornering speed though. I usually prefer this solution as opposed to flares (which just do not work) and trying to lock the missile with an r-73 (which gets you killed 90% of the time)

Banzaiib 12-02-2019 05:58 PM

what aircraft are you trying to lock?

JunMcKill 12-03-2019 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceandar (Post 4053483)
It has been like that since ......well quite long. Good news is Chizh said they will make some adjustment for Hornet IR signature to be a bit bigger than we have now. So Hornet jockey....be aware lol. As for other modules he leaves that to other 3rd parties dev to decide.

You can read it on Russian forum. It was asked by Teknetenium.

Yeah the Hornet heat signature is less than a cigar in DCS!


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