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kaoqumba 03-27-2020 01:44 PM

What model / batch is the aircraft in?
 
Will it be the most advanced version? What air-to-air / air-to-ground munitions, pods, sensors are planned?

QuiGon 03-27-2020 01:46 PM

No PIRATE it seems (German Eurofighters are not equipped with it).

TLTeo 03-27-2020 01:48 PM

They didn't say they are modelling a German Typhoon though, just that the developement lead is German.


edit: I Just saw the screenshots, indeed it's a German one (at least the model shown so far). Well, gotta give -some- advantage to the poor Flanker drivers...

VDV 03-27-2020 01:50 PM

Yes, but which tranche they are simulating? I cant find info...

Shimmergloom667 03-27-2020 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VDV (Post 4260748)
Yes, but which tranche they are simulating? I cant find info...

That's because that hasn't yet been announced. Their community manager will post FAQs later on: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...9&postcount=62

I am betting on Tranche 1 Block 5 or Tranche 2 Block 10 :)

XDrake 03-27-2020 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VDV (Post 4260748)
Yes, but which tranche they are simulating? I cant find info...

They havent stated that yet.

VirusAM 03-27-2020 01:52 PM

Hoping for a multirole tranche....AA only is boring. Probabilmente they won’t model meteor missile and the aesa radar but who knows

VDV 03-27-2020 01:53 PM

I hope we will get tranche 2, with AG capabilities. Because tranche 1 has only AA capabilities.
But great news, anyways - we will get the most modern aicraft for DCS till now. A modern, multirole aircfaft from our EU. Cool! :)

Kev2go 03-27-2020 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VDV (Post 4260767)
I hope we will get tranche 2, with AG capabilities. Because tranche 1 has only AA capabilities.
But great news, anyways - we will get the most modern aicraft for DCS till now. A modern, multirole aircfaft from our EU. Cool! :)


Yea, it seems the proper A/G capabilities started with Tranche 2. Although Tranche 1 block 5 is said to have introduced some initial A/G functions, unfortunately i think the block 5 is only really able to carry LGB's for buddy lasing. Im not even sure the EF can use unguided GP bombs at that point in time?

QuiGon 03-27-2020 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4260775)
Yea, the real A/G capabilties started with Tranche 2. Although Tranche 1 block 5 is said to have introduced A/G, i think unfortunately its only really to carry LGB's for buddy lasing. Im not even sure the EF can use unguided GP bombs?

In the GAF at least the Eurofighter is limited to PGMs.

Kev2go 03-27-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TLTeo (Post 4260743)
They didn't say they are modelling a German Typhoon though, just that the developement lead is German.


edit: I Just saw the screenshots, indeed it's a German one (at least the model shown so far). Well, gotta give -some- advantage to the poor Flanker drivers...


so how is the german EF different from the English ones besides having different paint scheme and/or markings? because seeing the WIP EF screenshots with Luftwaffe markings thats the only noticeable difference to me between the RAF one.

Finnsky 03-27-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4260803)
so how is the german EF different from the English one besides having different paint scheme and/or markings?

don't they also uses Tranches with same or very similar capabilities?

All in all pretty similar. Germany uses IRIS-T, Britain uses ASRAAM. Germany doesn’t have the PIRATE IR-pod. Germany uses Taurus cruise missiles, Britain uses Shadow Storm (not that it matters, I don’t expect that we get such a late model) and no Brimstones.

Etirion 03-27-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnsky (Post 4260818)
All in all pretty similar. Germany uses IRIS-T, Britain uses ASRAAM. Germany doesn’t have the PIRATE IR-pod. Germany uses Meteor cruise missiles (not that it matters, I don’t expect that we get such a late model) and no Brimstones.

RAF will also get the METEOR, it is the RAF procurement that the Luftwaffe joined afterall.

QuiGon 03-27-2020 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4260803)
so how is the german EF different from the English one besides having different paint scheme and/or markings?

don't they also uses Tranches with same or very similar capabilities?

Main difference is weapons. UK uses the AIM-132 ASRAAM as Fox 2, while Germany uses the IRIS-T. There are a lot of differences in regards to A-G armament, where Germany is lacking behind quite a bit.
One major difference is that the German Eurofighters don't have PIRATE, which is the very capable IRST system of the Eurofighter.

QuiGon 03-27-2020 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnsky (Post 4260818)
All in all pretty similar. Germany uses IRIS-T, Britain uses ASRAAM. Germany doesn’t have the PIRATE IR-pod. Germany uses Taurus cruise missiles, Britain uses Shadow Storm (not that it matters, I don’t expect that we get such a late model) and no Brimstones.

Meteor has not been fielded yet in the GAF. It will be introduced into active service later this year.

Kev2go 03-27-2020 02:15 PM

yes bigger differences with newer block. People seem to be drawing comparison of recent features.


But purely from screenshots alone we can't tell all that, and although not yet announced i'm not holding my breath for such a late enough tranche for many of those more advanced A2A weapons or an IRST pod. So likely the only real difference will be the skin, and therefore interchangeable with what EF user you want to play purely on changing the skin.

Kev2go 03-27-2020 02:26 PM

Ok scratch out my assumptions

with FAq out this is what we can expect.

seems will be in fact luftwaffe EF with plans to expand and include versions of other nationaliteis eventually.

although the FAQ states they wish to achieve the most current EF that they possibly can they don't outright state with tranche and block, but at least optimistically that means we certainly aren't getting the earliest , and this implies at it will at least be within tranche 2.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...24&postcount=1


I just really hope that doing more modern tranches doesnt mean leaving certain systems blank or with half ****ed functionality. (IE A10C * cough cough *missing lots of SADL functionality, and being a franken hybrid of suite 3 and suite 5) I personally would rather get fully working earlier model, than a latest and greatest model but have dev's either told off by GOV't contract cutoff certain features due to consumer product , or be forced too much guesstimating where systems are classified. Given their confidence in being able to go with more recent iteration however i wish to remain optimistic.

Breeze[Thunder 69] 03-27-2020 02:41 PM

i dont think so the JF-17 will still be the most advanced fighter

Finnsky 03-27-2020 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4260877)


I just really hope that doing more modern tranches doesnt mean leaving certain systems blank or with half ****ed functionality. (IE A10C * cough cough *missing lots of SADL functionality, and being a franken hybrid of suite 3 and suite 5) I personally would rather get fully working earlier model, than a latest and greatest model but have dev's either told off by GOV't contract cutoff certain features due to consumer product , or be forced too much guesstimating where systems are classified. Given their confidence in being able to go with more recent iteration however i wish to remain optimistic.

This a thousand times. I would be more than just impressed with a pretty complete Tranche 1 Block 5 (I.e. full A2A functionality). The EF was developed as a pure air superiority fighter (all the multirole requirements came later), so having those things accurate is far more important for me then the A2G stuff the later blocks get.

Pikey 03-27-2020 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Breeze[Thunder 69] (Post 4260931)
i dont think so the JF-17 will still be the most advanced fighter

CAESAR laughs at your puny Jeff budget planes at a quarter of the unit cost. The difference is immense.

Kev2go 03-27-2020 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breeze[Thunder 69] (Post 4260931)
i dont think so the JF-17 will still be the most advanced fighter

The JF17 wasn't the most advanced jet. The only feature thats more advanced about the JF17 relative to F16/F18 is just larger cockpit displays and IR Missle warning system.

otherwise the JF17 was behind in radar range ( max range at 80 NM relative to 160 Nm) and does not have JHMCS + AIm9X equivalents. IT also has smokey engine ( IRRC copy of mig29 engine) , and not as good T/W ratio as you'd expect for such a lightweight fighter.


the EF ( especially if its tranche 2) will in fact be all around the most advanced and arguably best A2A platform in DCS.

lee1hy 03-27-2020 02:57 PM

98% trench 1

another spam-120s

Finnsky 03-27-2020 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4260976)


the EF ( especially if its tranche 2) will in fact be all around the best A2A platform in DCS.

even a Tranche 1 block 5 will blow everything we have right now completely out of the water when it comes to A2A. Reading the wiki page is scary. RWR that can measure the distance to the enemy & launch AMRAAMS without a radar lock, IRIS-T 360 degree capability guided by the RWR, a very good radar coupled with insane T/W ratio, maneuverability, supercruise and the DASS protection system..

Tom Kazansky 03-27-2020 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLTeo (Post 4260743)
They didn't say they are modelling a German Typhoon though, just that the developement lead is German.


edit: I Just saw the screenshots, indeed it's a German one (at least the model shown so far). Well, gotta give -some- advantage to the poor Flanker drivers...


Dash@TrueGrit said:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dash@TrueGrit
As you might already have guessed from the published pictures and our company’s German background, we will create a German version of the Eurofighter Typhoon to start out. This version will only make the introduction to DCS as we will continue to bring more and more nationalities and capabilities to you over time.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...24&postcount=1


edit: I see, Kev2go mentioned this before

mackurt 03-27-2020 03:08 PM

i think it should be at least blk10.

lee1hy 03-27-2020 03:24 PM

F16 also has BLOCK 70. by more and more nationalities and capabilities

But

We have only block 50

<Specter> 03-27-2020 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VDV (Post 4260767)
I hope we will get tranche 2, with AG capabilities. Because tranche 1 has only AA capabilities.
But great news, anyways - we will get the most modern aicraft for DCS till now. A modern, multirole aircfaft from our EU. Cool! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4260775)
Yea, the real A/G capabilities started with Tranche 2. Although Tranche 1 block 5 is said to have introduced some initial A/G functions, unfortunately i think the block 5 is only really able to carry LGB's for buddy lasing. Im not even sure the EF can use unguided GP bombs?

Just to clear up a couple of misconceptions. The RAF declared a autonomous initial A/G capability shortly after Exercise Green Flag 2008 using Tranche 1 Blk 5 with Litening 3 LDPs and Paveway 2 (1000lb bombs). It was also capable of dropping 1000lb free fall bombs. It normally self-lased but did practice buddy lasing.

I know this because I was there.

nthere 03-27-2020 06:00 PM

holy shit, i love it!although i'm chinese,but,forget j-10ce and pl15,pick ef2000!

Kev2go 03-27-2020 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim610 (Post 4261319)
Just to clear up a couple of misconceptions. The RAF declared a autonomous initial A/G capability shortly after Exercise Green Flag 2008 using Tranche 1 Blk 5 with Litening 3 LDPs and Paveway 2 (1000lb bombs). It was also capable of dropping 1000lb free fall bombs. It normally self-lased but did practice buddy lasing.

I know this because I was there.

Yes General purpose For the UK version but not German one apparently . As for self designation of LGB's with a TGP can the same be verified for Luftwaffe within the same time frame ?( which is the version being focused on for now). IT also depends on which time period the source publications or revisions are able to be found.


as an Analogy Remember than F/A18C lot 20 in 1998 had different capabilities then the circa 2005 model we have in dcs, or if to compare hypothetical compare Lot 20 hornet to more recent timeframe , ( IE as an example only using older Litening 2 AT instead of newer Litening 2 G4 issued since 2008 )

TLTeo 03-27-2020 06:52 PM

There's also a difference in how the Typhoon has been operated between the UK and Germany/Spain/Italy.

In UK service it replaced the Tornado fairly quickly, so the multi-role capability was needed earlier. Italy and Germany are still flying their Tornadoes; Italy is replacing them with the F35, and Germany is expected to replace them with a mix of Super Hornets/Growlers and Typhoons. I don't know about Spain but I imagine they have the Hornets for A2G stuff.


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