ED Forums

ED Forums (https://forums.eagle.ru/index.php)
-   DCS: Eurofighter (https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=730)
-   -   What model / batch is the aircraft in? (https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=267620)

Spectre11 03-28-2020 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeriaGloria (Post 4262406)
On the recent EF block versions post it was said that in many ways T2 are functionally inferior to late T1, having a software advantage but things like AG gun going away before coming back

No it's the other way round. T2 have a better/newer hardware, but the software converted to run on tve new processing hardware had not the time to mature and evolve in the say it did on the T1s until ca. 2013 when P1Ea was first introduced. In some ways the T1 maintained an edge in some areas though for some time. This had meanwhile changed, but the T1s are still very capable in particular in AA.

AeriaGloria 03-28-2020 06:23 PM

Thanks, very complex, had a feeling I should have kept my mouth shut and was going to mess up lol

Kev2go 03-29-2020 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeriaGloria (Post 4261562)
Well the new B61 is guided, and I’m sure you’re right about HARMs maybe not being such a big deal, but I guess they decided to take over the nuclear carriage role from someone else in NATO(Turkey?, EDIT: never mind looks like Tornado was B61 certified, so they have been obligated to it for a long time) I don’t know, would have to do more research on it.

I would love to see Eurofighter do everything, but something DCS has taught me is how sensitive even allies can be with sharing military technology.

If the Typhoon ECR was ready for 2020 that would probably have changed things.

seems like the Super Hornet isnt even capable of using the B61. ( it was a legacy hornet feature)


https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...r-eurofighter/


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...s-and-growlers


So outside of the EA18G as an interim until ECR, the F/A18E/F otherwise really looks like a waste of money to operate alongside EF Fleet.

schroedi 03-30-2020 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4264387)
So outside of the EA18G as an interim until ECR, the F/A18E/F otherwise really looks like a waste of money to operate alongside EF Fleet.

US/Boenig would integrate B61 features to the Super Bug for the Luftwaffe.

QuiGon 03-30-2020 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4264387)
seems like the Super Hornet isnt even capable of using the B61. ( it was a legacy hornet feature)

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...r-eurofighter/

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...s-and-growlers

So outside of the EA18G as an interim until ECR, the F/A18E/F otherwise really looks like a waste of money to operate alongside EF Fleet.

As schroedi has said, it seems it is planned to introduce nuclear capabilities into the Super Hornet for their use with the Luftwaffe.

The reason why Germany plans on replacing the Tornado with a mix of Super Hornets, Growlers and Eurofighters is, because the only aircraft that would be capable of taking on the Tornados mission of SEAD/EA as well as conventional and nuclear strike would have been the F-35, which was ruled out for political reasons. The Eurofighter is not nuclear capable and a request by the german MoD to the US DoD showed that integrating this capability for the Eurofighter would take 3-5 years longer than integrating it for the Super Hornet and it would also require Germany to provide insight for US authorities into Eurofighter systems for them to get certified for the nuclear role.

The importance of the nuclear strike role for the Luftwaffe, is less a tactical one and more a political one (having a say in NATOs Nuclear Planning Group and such).

This apparently now lead to the decision to buy Super Hornets and Growlers.

QuiGon 03-30-2020 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev2go (Post 4264387)
seems like the Super Hornet isnt even capable of using the B61. ( it was a legacy hornet feature)

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...r-eurofighter/

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...s-and-growlers

So outside of the EA18G as an interim until ECR, the F/A18E/F otherwise really looks like a waste of money to operate alongside EF Fleet.

As schroedi has said, it seems it is planned to introduce nuclear capabilities into the Super Hornet for their use with the Luftwaffe.

The reason why Germany plans on replacing the Tornado with a mix of Super Hornets, Growlers and Eurofighters is, because the only aircraft that would be capable of taking on the Tornados mission of SEAD/EA as well as conventional and nuclear strike would have been the F-35, which was ruled out for political reasons. The Eurofighter is not nuclear capable and a request by the german MoD to the US DoD showed that integrating this capability for the Eurofighter would take 3-5 years longer than integrating it for the Super Hornet and it would also require Germany to provide insight for US authorities into Eurofighter systems for them to get certified for the nuclear role.

The SEAD/EW role would also have to be developed for the Eurofighter from scratch. Although Airbus has revealed the Eurofighter ECR a few months ago for this very reason, it would still take a lot of time to develop this capability.

As the German government is running really late with finding a replacement for the Tornado, there is not much time for such development and integration programs for the Eurofighter, which now lead to the decision to buy Super Hornets and Growlers it seems.

Edit: Some more extensive information here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...s-and-growlers

Kev2go 03-30-2020 02:18 PM

THe EF is sead capable. the Brits had SEAD capability having the Alarm missile integrated, and considering its retirement, it would have made more sense to just integrate Agm88's in turn in lieu ofAlarm for the EF.

Really they should have just done the sensible thing what the brits did with their tornado replacement. More EF's, with the exception of Growlers only as an ECR interim solution/ nuke capability due to thier unique requirement.


Its not just the cost of an air frame, but the cost of having different pilot training , ground crew, and logistics for spare parts for 3 different air frames now. ( although two of them are similar) for a job that 1 multi-role aircraft should be able to do.

Cunctator 03-30-2020 02:43 PM

ALARM was never integrated into the Typhoon. The Super Hornet has a much greater number of A2G weapons already integrated and can directly take over the maritime strike role from the Tornados with their Kormoran missiles. Super Hornets can do aerial refueling just as the Tornados. Kuwait has chosen the same mix for a reason.

The Luftwaffe has always used multiple types of fighters simultaneously since its rebirth after WW2. Logistics won't be much different to the 80ties (Alpha Jet, Tornado, Phantom), 90ties (MiG 29, Tornado, Phantom) or now with Tornados and Typhoons.

Kev2go 03-30-2020 02:50 PM

whatever it is what it is.

IF they want to waste taxpayer money to have capability now ( production and deliveries also take time so it won't be ASAP anyways) and spend additional money for totally new air-frame vs integrating additional weapons if needed into already existing aircraft platform its their business.

operating EF and SH side by side makes about as much sense if the USAF had F16 and Legacy Hornet.

Also thats not the best comparison. in the 70s those days it was quite different, where "multirole" capabilities and any capabilities expansions were much more limited by the analog nature of older aircraft generations. Times have changed. Luckily even British MOD has finally realized this.

AeriaGloria 03-30-2020 03:00 PM

Yeah and the British got F-35s


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:20 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®.
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.