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Alec Delorean 05-24-2019 10:31 AM

Will there ever be a SA342sim?
 
I'm a owner of the Gazelle module since it was released. I'm still holding my breath that it will someday be on par with the other helicopter modules. Atm, the flight model is something like a VTOL, feels extremely arcade. Will it ever leave it's alpha/early access state?

swatstar98 05-24-2019 11:21 AM

Even if the FM has some problem that will be solved, its not arcade, remember is the only helicopter with SAS in DCS, just try a civilian helicopter with SAS and you will feel it. Seems like arcade but it is not.

Alec Delorean 05-24-2019 12:33 PM

Most of my arcadeish feeling comes from how HOTAS input is translated to ingame controls. There seems to be no dampening or friction present for collective and cyclic controls. It's 1:1 direct control maybe the starting point of most the troubles. Just try to move the collective (HOTAS throttle) very fast in KA-50 and see how it reacts in the cockpit. It can only be as fast as the KA-50's real collective. In the Gazelle i can move it fast as hell, as there seems to be no mechanical/physical resistance. Same for cyclic controls... And for the FM, physics or better mass and inertia doesn't seem to be right. Oh man, i'm really sad about the state this module is in for years...

swatstar98 05-24-2019 01:02 PM

Are you really comparing a non SAS helicopter vs Gazelle and even one 7,692 kg vs 1.000 kg helicopter? Please, give real data and not your feeling to support your arguments. You can't compare these 2 aircrafts, they are completely different. You maybe don't like how it flies, but really, stop comparing these 2 because is nonsense. Sa342 is a very light helicopter so the intertia is very very very low comparing it with the other helos, its 1 to 7 in empty weight with the BlackShark even the Huey doubles(and more) its empy weight.

About the controls, mate if you KNOW that it can't move that fast don't do it. But if you have never touched a SA342 in IRL, provide at least a reference where we can see your statement is true.

fargo007 05-24-2019 02:54 PM

Just shut the SAS off. That's what I do.

You can see videos of 342 landing on a mistral class ship and it's definitely very stable. e.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXICteQY4Y

swatstar98 05-24-2019 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fargo007 (Post 3923014)
Just shut the SAS off. That's what I do.

You can see videos of 342 landing on a mistral class ship and it's definitely very stable. e.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXICteQY4Y

Good video, haven't seen it before.

zhukov032186 05-24-2019 03:22 PM

I used to think this, but as I've seen others talking, it is apparent this is a somwhat different aircraft. It is a very small aircraft, and the helicopter equivalent of FBW... So, no, it is very much different from a 1980s Soviet attack helicopter. I would think not comparing it to that would be a given anyway, but here we are.

And as always, ''your feelz'' are utterly and completely irrelevant. Hard data or sit down.

Alec Delorean 05-24-2019 03:40 PM

Has one of you ever tried to fly it with a FFB HOTAS? (G940 here) It's an absolute mess. It might be better to fly the gazelle with keyboard or force sense stick only.

swatstar98 05-24-2019 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alec Delorean (Post 3923083)
Has one of you ever tried to fly it with a FFB HOTAS? (G940 here) It's an absolute mess. It might be better to fly the gazelle with keyboard or force sense stick only.

No, their are really expensive, then did you look too the config? Maybe you have something wrong in the options menu.

Alec Delorean 05-24-2019 04:09 PM

Oh man, really? So in fact you don't have any clue about what DCS is capable to do with helicopter controls. And it is doing it perfectly fine for over 10 years now, since Blackshark 1.0 and in any other helicopter module...


I'm giving up for now, maybe the announced big update will bring what it takes to make this a better simulation of the SA342.


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