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hakjar 09-30-2013 09:24 AM

As far as I understand it yes, those already pledged gets everything as earlier stated.

JackDant 09-30-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuky (Post 1890256)
Giving out all aircraft for free IS A MISTAKE. Saying that it isn't (and you haven't pledged) puts you into "want everything for free" category and you shouldn't be commenting on this because that is equivalent to wanting others to pay for you... If you want something.. EARN IT

Oh noes, I want to play a "free to play" game for free! The horror!

The F2P model works by offering a substantial free base game, and premium content at a price. You hook people with the free content and then they spend money. Those "freeloaders" also provide content, in this case people to play with and shoot down, and they are essential to the experience for those who pay.

If Luthier wants to drop the F2P model, let him do it. Then it's just another DCS module. But a F2P game with only one playable side cannot work.

PS. Funny that in a topic about how to get more pledges, people who haven't pledged are told to shut up.
PPS. Oh, and also massively negrepped :D

adonys 09-30-2013 09:28 AM

the DCS WWII is not a F2P model, but rather a free game + paid DLC's. same as RoF has become, for example.

I'm not sure that a 40$/50$ pledge grants the DCS WWII P51-D and FW190-D9 though..

hegykc 09-30-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JackDant (Post 1890280)
Oh noes, I want to play a "free to play" game for free! The horror!

The F2P model works by offering a substantial free base game, and premium content at a price.
If Luthier wants to drop the F2P model, let him do it. Then it's just another DCS module. But a F2P game with only one playable side cannot work.

Spitfire, 109 and P-47 is the premium stuff.

F2P with only one playable side is working perfectly for DCS world for quite some time now.

JackDant 09-30-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hegykc (Post 1890285)
Spitfire, 109 and P-47 is the premium stuff.

And where is the "substantial free base game"?

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F2P with only one playable side is working perfectly for DCS world for quite some time now.
Not really. You can fly Su-25T's for the blue coalition, as Georgia. Now imagine the reaction of the forums if the normal scenario for DCS:WW2 had German P-47s instead of 109's.

hegykc 09-30-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JackDant (Post 1890292)
And where is the "substantial free base game"?

Nowhere. It was a promise made in the earliest stages of development, on a prediction that there would be thousands of pledgers and supporters. There's not.

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Originally Posted by JackDant (Post 1890292)
Not really. You can fly Su-25T's for the blue coalition, as Georgia. Now imagine the reaction of the forums if the normal scenario for DCS:WW2 had German P-47s instead of 109's.

The goal is to have a free option to explore the game with some limitation. Not have a full WWII scenario that would keep you busy for years to come.

Bucic 09-30-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JackDant (Post 1890280)

PS. Funny that in a topic about how to get more pledges, people who haven't pledged are told to shut up.
PPS. Oh, and also massively negrepped :D

I think you don't realize what value a DCS fidelity plane is. Su-25 is NOT of such fidelity BTW. 'Only' its damage model and flight model.


And negative repping is a bit too much, IMO. Let's leave such measures to complete bollocks and forum rule offenders.

Boris 09-30-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JackDant (Post 1890292)
And where is the "substantial free base game"?


Not really. You can fly Su-25T's for the blue coalition, as Georgia. Now imagine the reaction of the forums if the normal scenario for DCS:WW2 had German P-47s instead of 109's.

Nowhere does it say the demo aircraft needs to be balanced for both sides. This would even motivate people to buy another aircraft.

sylkhan 09-30-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hegykc (Post 1890312)
Nowhere. It was a promise made in the earliest stages of development, ..

A promise IS a promise

sylkhan 09-30-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucic (Post 1890327)
I think you don't realize what value a DCS fidelity plane is. Su-25 is NOT of such fidelity BTW. 'Only' its damage model and flight model.

Why LUTHIERS didn't realize this, before his KS


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