Motomouse Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 And the winner is ... changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VIC-20@1.108 MHz, onboard GPU, 5KB RAM, μυωπία goggles, Competition Pro HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruman Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Thanks for this. Very interesting... I assume you are an AMD fan. Cant seem to find any benchmarks that supports your claim for DCS. Edited September 30, 2020 by Gruman Intel I9 10900k @5.1GHz | MSI MEG Z490 Unify | Corsair Vengeance 64GB - 3600MHz | EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 VPC T-50 Base /w Viper & Hornet Grip | VPC Rotor TCS Pro w/ Hawk-60 Grip | TM TPR LG C2 42" | Reverb G2 | TIR 5 | PointCtrl | OpenKneeboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motomouse Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 I know and you will see the light ;-) VIC-20@1.108 MHz, onboard GPU, 5KB RAM, μυωπία goggles, Competition Pro HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 And the winner is ... changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess that's 30 seconds I'll never get back. I thought you had something pertinent to discuss. The do have a chit-chat forum where you can do stuff like this to your heart's content. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motomouse Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Google for 5900X to get your 30 seconds back ;-) VIC-20@1.108 MHz, onboard GPU, 5KB RAM, μυωπία goggles, Competition Pro HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Google for 5900X to get your 30 seconds back ;-) It won't fit in your VIC 20 so you're going to have to upgrade to an Amiga. I never could understand why people get sooooo attached to their HW or vendor. For me, it's just a tool to let me play DCS in best possible way. (And other work, of course) But glad you're excited for the AMD launch. I hope it lives up to your expectations. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatthis Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 im waiting for this gen to settle in then i just might rebuild my pc, i dont care at all for manufacturers (they sure as hell dont care about you!) i will buy whatever i think will run dcs in vr the best lol im keeping a close eye on this forum for that exact reason 7700k @5ghz, 32gb 3200mhz ram, 2080ti, nvme drives, valve index vr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motomouse Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 @hansangb It is just about the competition for me :-) VIC-20@1.108 MHz, onboard GPU, 5KB RAM, μυωπία goggles, Competition Pro HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Zen 3 is gonna be a big jump over Zen 2.... this year... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Intel vs. AMD In the first benchmarks seems the zen3 seems to be faster also in single threading (zen2 was already faster then intel in multithreading) R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucShep Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Have to say... I'm very impressed with those results. Also with the single core ones - judging from 3950x to 5950x it's ~17% gains, like they promised. Also impressed with simple CPU-Z benchmark, where the 5900X (12c/24t) is put against a stock R7 3700X (8c/16t). For reference, the i9 9900K (stock) does 543 on single and 5423 on multi. https://m.hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/145873-amd-ryzen-9-5900x-cpu-z-bench-shows-impressive-1t-gains/ Edited October 2, 2020 by LucShep CGTC Caucasus retexture mod | A-10A cockpit retexture mod | Shadows reduced impact mod | DCS 2.5.6 (the best version for performance, VR or 2D) = aka Luke Marqs; call sign "Ducko" = Spoiler Win10 Pro x64 | Intel i7 12700K (@5.1/5.0p + 3.9e) | 64GB DDR4 @3466 CL16 (Crucial Ballistix) | RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 Ultra | 2TB NVMe (MP600 Pro XT) + 500GB SSD (WD Blue) + 3TB HDD (Toshiba P300) + 1TB HDD (WD Blue) | Corsair RMX 850W | Asus Z690 TUF+ D4 | TR PA120SE | Fractal Meshify C | UAD Volt1 + Sennheiser HD-599SE | 7x USB 3.0 Hub | 50'' 4K Philips 7608/12 UHD TV (+Head Tracking) | HP Reverb G1 Pro (VR) | TM Warthog + Logitech X56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 This is long running benchmark. Intel can only do bursts to 5.3, making sure there are less drops/stutter. AMD can only boost one core to 4.6-4.9 Intel can have all cores boost (Vulkam welcomes it). In theory, Intel still maybe the king for games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruman Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I dont get the "RIP Intel" mentality of the internet... :doh: After 16 years AMD finally plans to launch a product that is a tiny bit faster. About 5 Months after the Release of the 10900K Series. Its great there is finally some competition, but Intel is still a solid choice, even if in some cases a 5900X might have a small benefit in performance. I'm happy after months of consideration, I picked a 10900K in August instead of a 3900XT. IMHO the 10900K probably still comes out on top in DCS. :music_whistling::joystick: Intel I9 10900k @5.1GHz | MSI MEG Z490 Unify | Corsair Vengeance 64GB - 3600MHz | EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 VPC T-50 Base /w Viper & Hornet Grip | VPC Rotor TCS Pro w/ Hawk-60 Grip | TM TPR LG C2 42" | Reverb G2 | TIR 5 | PointCtrl | OpenKneeboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatthis Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 im no fan boi,m over the years iv had 386, 486, cyrix (yes really haha) athlon, 920 (i think), 3770k at 4.8 and atm i have a 7700k at 5ghz. im doing a build from the ground up now and ive gone for x570 and 5900x, 32gb 4400mhz ram, undecided on gfx card yet, im tentatively awaiting the 20gb 3080. see what thats like 7700k @5ghz, 32gb 3200mhz ram, 2080ti, nvme drives, valve index vr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wali763 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) If I just had bought a I9-10900K with an expensive watercooling-solution Id also say, Intel still is the best. :smilewink: And it boosts up to 5,3Ghz. Alt least some chips in very rare occasions, even though I probably would have never seen it do so. From what we have seen yesterday, it might be that AMD comes out top on 90% of games. But we will have to wait first for good reviews. But since there is no decent source for CPU-comparisons in DCS, everybody will interpret this in his own way to come out on top. And of course DCS is way different to everything else...:smilewink: If I had a 10900K, Id be happy; but Id also be happy to have a 5900X. Nevertheless, if I go for a new CPU right now, Id go with the latter. But just because Id still be able to use my Noctua NH-D15-cooler.... Id not care for the 3-5% the 5900X will offer more in gaming performance. I guess only the top fanboys of each brand will be able to see that difference. By the way: Im a Noctua-Fanboy!:megalol: Edited October 9, 2020 by Wali763 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 By the way: Im a Noctua-Fanboy!:megalol: We're 2. Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 RTX3080 has showed us that "CPU is a limit now". Hopefully it will change with future generations or iterations of games (arma4/dcs-vulkan). Fast and cool 6-8cores will become more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinder Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Personally I'm aiming at mid-range and will have to wait for a BIOS update for my B450 GAMING PLUS MAX, but it already supports the right bus for the Big Navy GPU... Win 11Pro. Corsair RM1000X PSU. ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS [WI-FI], AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D, Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB GDDR6. 32 GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series (4 x 8GB) RAM Cl14 DDR4 3600. Thrustmaster HOTAS WARTHOG Thrustmaster. TWCS Throttle. PICO 4 256GB. WARNING: Message from AMD: Windows Automatic Update may have replaced their driver by one of their own. Check your drivers. M-2000C. Mirage F1. F/A-18C Hornet. F-15C. F-5E Tiger II. MiG-29 "Fulcrum". Avatar: Escadron de Chasse 3/3 Ardennes. Fly like a Maineyak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reece146 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I figured I'd ride out to the next Intel generation - expected AMD to only get around Intel numbers on single core. Now I'm thinking the gaming rig I built in Jine (10700k) will get turned into a workstation (my current Linux box is long in the tooth - 3770k) and I'll jump on a AMD CPU/mobo for DCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greekbull Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I figured I'd ride out to the next Intel generation - expected AMD to only get around Intel numbers on single core. Now I'm thinking the gaming rig I built in Jine (10700k) will get turned into a workstation (my current Linux box is long in the tooth - 3770k) and I'll jump on a AMD CPU/mobo for DCS. I was planning on waiting another generation to update my 8700K but I have drank the Kool Aid. Good on AMD to step up and innovate where Intel has pretty much sat on their rears...I have been Intel for many years but will happily be picking up a 5950X as soon as I can...Hopefully Nov 5th lol AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | ASUS Crosshair Hero X670E | 64GB G Skill Trident Z DDR5 6000 | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE| Samsung EVO Plus 6 TB M.2 PCIe SSDs | TM Hornet Stick/WinWing Hornet Throttle and MIP | VPC T-50 Stick Base | TM TPR Rudder Pedals W/Damper | Varjo Aero/Pimax Crystal VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet Carrier Strike Group One(CSG-1) Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinder Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 This one will do great to replace my 1080TI 11GB. Radeon RX 6800 will launch for $579 and go toe-to-toe with Nvidia's RTX 3070 https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/ https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/ EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 vs Radeon RX 6800 Frequency 1556 MHz Frequency 1815 MHz Texture Rate 374.1 GTexel/s Texture Rate 505.2 GTexel/s TDP 250 W TDP 250 W Memory Size 11 GB Memory Size 16 GB Memory Type GDDR5X Memory Type GDDR6 Memory Bus 352 bit Memory Bus 256-bit Bandwidth 484.4 GB/s Bandwidth 512.0 GB/s Notes: For playing DCS, more memory and memory bandwidth are far better, that's one of my main requirements. TDP is the same, the only extra power drain would come from CPU and RAM upgrade. 131.1 GTexel/s Texture Rate difference between the two. Win 11Pro. Corsair RM1000X PSU. ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS [WI-FI], AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D, Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB GDDR6. 32 GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series (4 x 8GB) RAM Cl14 DDR4 3600. Thrustmaster HOTAS WARTHOG Thrustmaster. TWCS Throttle. PICO 4 256GB. WARNING: Message from AMD: Windows Automatic Update may have replaced their driver by one of their own. Check your drivers. M-2000C. Mirage F1. F/A-18C Hornet. F-15C. F-5E Tiger II. MiG-29 "Fulcrum". Avatar: Escadron de Chasse 3/3 Ardennes. Fly like a Maineyak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGozr Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Going with 5900X over the 5950X.. The 5900x has a stronger single core with more cache per core.. more room for OC .. Was hard decision to make but 12 cores is good 16 wont see a difference really just less pure speed. Photoshop no diff.. IMO the 5800X is a very good one for the price.. and the best is the 5900X if you have more things running on the background Fly it like you stole it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucShep Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Here it is, finally, the first review on Ryzen 3rd gen (5000 series), It's from a brazilian channel, but you can use translated subtitles: EDIT: REVIEW WAS DELETED FROM YOUTUBE (embargo still going I think, hence why it's shut down) Spoiler alert: the overall veredict is that, for gaming, it's now neck and neck with Intel's best (i5, i7, i9 "K" processors) and some results are actually surprising.... 16 Game Average. 1080p with RTX 3070. [TABLE=class: MRH-njmSb5ZTkfb1o4dqv] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class:]CPU[/TD] [TD=class: ]Average FPS[/TD] [TD=class:]1% Low FPS[/TD] [TD=class:]Average[/TD] [TD=class:]1% Low[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 5900x (Stock)[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]184[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]103[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]107%[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]101%[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]I9 10900k (OC 5 Ghz)[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]177[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]102[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]103%[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100%[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]I9 10900k (Stock)[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]172[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]102[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100%[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100%[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 5800x (Stock)[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]184[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]101[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]107%[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]99%[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 5600x (Stock)[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]181[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]105%[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]98%[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: s6JZe6869f81l9E_5G7Q9] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 3600x (Stock)[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]157[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]94[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]91%[/TD] [TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]92%[/TD][/TABLE][TABLE=class: MRH-njmSb5ZTkfb1o4dqv] [/TR] [/TABLE] The 5600x beats the 10900k in: CS:GO (+95 FPS) Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (+2 FPS) Flight Simulator (+9 FPS) GTAV (+2 FPS) Rainbow Six Siege (+12 FPS) Shadow of the Tomb Raider (+13 FPS) The Witcher 3 (+21 FPS) Watch Dogs Legion (+6 FPS) The 10900k beats the 5600x in: Assassin's Creed Odyssey (+1 FPS) Final Fantaxy XV (+1 FPS) For Honor (+4 FPS) RDR2 (+9 FPS) Strange Brigade (+1 FPS) The Division 2 (+1 FPS) The 5600x and 10900k are even in: Far Cry 5 ...namely with MSFS2020 (maybe relevant for DCS), as per the screenshot I took from the video, see below. From what I gather around in forums, there may be issue for users such as, 1) the availability (another paper launch incoming?) and, 2) possible issues with many B550/X570 motherboards requiring bios update prior to the installation of these new processors. CGTC Caucasus retexture mod | A-10A cockpit retexture mod | Shadows reduced impact mod | DCS 2.5.6 (the best version for performance, VR or 2D) = aka Luke Marqs; call sign "Ducko" = Spoiler Win10 Pro x64 | Intel i7 12700K (@5.1/5.0p + 3.9e) | 64GB DDR4 @3466 CL16 (Crucial Ballistix) | RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 Ultra | 2TB NVMe (MP600 Pro XT) + 500GB SSD (WD Blue) + 3TB HDD (Toshiba P300) + 1TB HDD (WD Blue) | Corsair RMX 850W | Asus Z690 TUF+ D4 | TR PA120SE | Fractal Meshify C | UAD Volt1 + Sennheiser HD-599SE | 7x USB 3.0 Hub | 50'' 4K Philips 7608/12 UHD TV (+Head Tracking) | HP Reverb G1 Pro (VR) | TM Warthog + Logitech X56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 It won't be a paper launch, the new Ryzen 5XXX CPUs are already in stock in shops in my country (unlike e.g. Nvidia 3080). i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucShep Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 It won't be a paper launch, the new Ryzen 5XXX CPUs are already in stock in shops in my country (unlike e.g. Nvidia 3080). Please do share the links for those shops, as they're not available anywhere... CGTC Caucasus retexture mod | A-10A cockpit retexture mod | Shadows reduced impact mod | DCS 2.5.6 (the best version for performance, VR or 2D) = aka Luke Marqs; call sign "Ducko" = Spoiler Win10 Pro x64 | Intel i7 12700K (@5.1/5.0p + 3.9e) | 64GB DDR4 @3466 CL16 (Crucial Ballistix) | RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 Ultra | 2TB NVMe (MP600 Pro XT) + 500GB SSD (WD Blue) + 3TB HDD (Toshiba P300) + 1TB HDD (WD Blue) | Corsair RMX 850W | Asus Z690 TUF+ D4 | TR PA120SE | Fractal Meshify C | UAD Volt1 + Sennheiser HD-599SE | 7x USB 3.0 Hub | 50'' 4K Philips 7608/12 UHD TV (+Head Tracking) | HP Reverb G1 Pro (VR) | TM Warthog + Logitech X56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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