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    TL;DW;!!!!

    • Nvidia got cocky with TSMC (7nm) and played them against Samsung (8nm)
    • TSMC told NV to pound sand so new NV products will be 8nm
    • Expect 7nm "Super" refresh within a year
    • 3080Ti is ~30-40% faster than 2080Ti
    • 3080Ti will consume 300W at full trot, 400W OC'ed b/c 8nm
    • AMD is playing humble
    • AMD RDNA2 is expected to be ~40-50% faster than 2080Ti, 2 times faster than current 5700XT. Maybe even more (PS5 rumours based)
    • AMD will be 5nm CPUs in 2021 to bring even more hurt to Intel; video cards to follow by 2022
    • Cards from both will drop Sept-October


    Not said in the video - AMD has made TSMC lots of money - probably have a good relationship. Between being flush with cash and not needing to put up with NV's bullsh!t the fallout for NV re: TSMC makes a lot of sense.

    Interesting times. If Nvidia stays cocky on their pricing I'll be going AMD regardless of AMD "first release driver" issues.
    Last edited 07-20-2020, 04:54 AM.

    #2
    Nvidia and AMD are on the hands of TSMC and his delays or whatever happens inside TSMC hurt those companys.
    Nvidia is about ro revamp de Ampere lineup on 5 nm next year too. The problem with Ampere was delays with the contracts with TSMC and 7 nm lineup (problems that Samsung may have allowed to solve, but with no luck).
    Samsung allready have a 5 nm transition map, but it´s not as strong as the TSMC one so they may, or not, ensure the 5 nm thing that Nvidia desesperately needs.
    Nvidia reached a new contract with TSMC again and (with the absence of Huawei now) it won´t be a problem to have new Nvidia cards on 5 nm and on track by fall 2021. But, yes: the Ampere 2020 consumer cards will be HOT (and may occupy 3 PCI slots).
    The HPC cards are from 7 nm TSMC (the HBM2 memory ones).
    The problem is on the AMD drivers. (Specially Vulkan and VR is a step behind Nvidia ones allways).
    Last edited 07-20-2020, 11:13 AM.

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      #3
      I would love to see AMD take the lead to bring gpu prices back down to earth. The GTX 1080 is my first ever nVidia card. I had a Voodoo 5500 and when they folded got a Radeon 8500, then a 9800 Pro. The 9700 Pro had smoked nVidia and put ATi in the lead, then remained competitive for a long time. I only recently retired the 7970 GHz edition in my sons PC to give him a GTX 1080 to support VR and 4K.

      I dealt with ATi, later AMD, gpu drivers for a very long time. Now having experience with nVidia, I don't see any superiority with nVidia drivers. There is no one driver set that works best across the board with all my applications/flight sims. I had to go to a very old driver just to solve some problems in one sim and found it had fixed a bunch of other little problems as well as giving me solid performance in DCS.

      If AMD produces a card that is at the right price/performance ratio for me, I will jump on it in a heartbeat. But recent history (like the past several years) suggests that AMD always overhypes their next release and nVidia sweeps in with a huge performance advantage and jacks up prices again.

      I shudder at the idea of paying $1,200 for a gpu when that costs as much or more than the rest of my PC. When I bought my GTX 1080 for $480 (the lowest I had seen at that time) right before bitcoin mining surged the prices up to over $1,000, I still couldn't believe I paid that much for a gpu. I got my son's GTX 1080 (same MSI Duke model as mine) used for $350 and it has been every bit as good as mine (thankfully not burned out from bitcoin mining).

      Every cycle, AMD claims they are finally going to equal and/or surpass nVidida's gpus and intels cpus. Every time I am left with disappointment. I am Charlie Brown and AMD is Lucy holding the football. Maybe this time she won't pull it away when I run to kick the ball. Otherwise, I see myself going from a GTX 1080 to a 3080 Ti if my bank account is still being topped off by overtime.
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        #4
        I'm still rocking a GeForce 1070 waiting on the 3070 (or whatever I can afford, I'm spending my 2020 income tax return on the best 30xx card I can buy). Gaming is a minor concern compared to the renders I do in DazStudio and I would love to see a ton more VRAM on these new cards (which is rumored, but it might just be a rumor). DazStudio uses nVidia iRay, so I'm stuck with nVidia graphics.
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          #5
          I pretty much need whatever runs flight sims best, and DCS in particular. It doesn't help that the DCS graphics engine is a little behind as well as the core code that is pretty much limited to using only one or two cpu cores. But no other sim has what DCS gives me. For World War 2, there are several options that are fairly competitive, but for Cold War jets like the F-86, MiG-15, MiG-19, MiG-21, and F-5E, the only other game in town is SF2, which hasn't received any patches/updates in years and runs fine with the hardware I have had for years.

          DCS is what drove me to try VR. It is what drove me to try the VKB stick and Winwing throttle. So, I would really love to see hardware that can deliver the best performance possible for DCS and I would love DCS to improve its core code to permit using untapped potential in existing hardware as well as the near future. But alas, all I can do is wait for hardware that will give me a useful and cost-effective boost in performance over what I have now. It sounds like the 3080 will give me the useful boost, but there is no way it is going to be cost effective. All I can do is wait and see and hope I get called into work a lot to put up a nest egg to pay for whichever option I end up picking.

          I don't believe I have a single application that uses ray tracing. Unless one of the newer flight sims has introduced it in a patch. So all I am looking at are raw performance numbers and you can never have enough gpu RAM the DCS World and other flight sims are going with textures and 3d meshes.
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            #6
            RTX30 uses new 12 PIN Power Connector
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            3x ASUS VS248HP + Hanns·G HZ201HPB + Oculus HMD,
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              #7
              Originally posted by SkateZilla View Post
              RTX30 uses new 12 PIN Power Connector
              I thought that was just speculation? I'd imagine a new plug would overly complicate things for those looking to upgrade.
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                #8
                Originally posted by sparkchaser2010 View Post
                I thought that was just speculation? I'd imagine a new plug would overly complicate things for those looking to upgrade.
                it's gotta happen sooner or later. nVidia wants to push it, the same way intel psuhes non industry standard interfaces.

                Most of the GPUs using the new 12 Pin will be upwards of $700+ so chances are it will likely come with a 2x 8Pin/6Pin to 1x 12Pin Adapter of some sort.

                nVidia's about to release a portable heater unit again.
                Last edited 07-21-2020, 09:39 PM.
                Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill,
                X470 Taichi Ultimate, 2x R7970 Lightnings Crossfired @ 1.1/6.0GHz,
                3x ASUS VS248HP + Hanns·G HZ201HPB + Oculus HMD,
                Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs, CH Fighterstick+Pro Throttle+Pro Pedals

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                  #9
                  Prepare to be gouged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyFOC-4ZH10


                  C'mon AMD - sell me a video card at 2080Ti + 30% performance for the cost of a 5700XT+$100.
                  Last edited 07-31-2020, 06:00 AM.

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                    #10
                    I don;t know why everyone should go for Nvidia, I have my upgrade entirely AMD, and next month go full VR with another combo; AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 and Ryzen 5 2600X CPU Six Core 4.2GHz, another two month to go for full dunding.


                    The important thing here, is to get a good result at the resolution i'll need to run VR, 2160P/4K,this means as little bootleneck as possible.


                    If you run this combination in /pc-builds.com/calculator/, you end up with Average bottleneck percentage of 6.43, below 10%, to insure maximum efficiency of the GPU.


                    Right now, I'm using a new motherboard (B450 Gaming Plus Max, 32 GB of 3200 DDR 4 and a Ryzen 3200G pared with a Radeon XR 5500 XT, still too weak for VR but I have absolutely no issue with drivers or the quality of the Radeon program while running the game with good graphics and frame rate at 1920 X 1080.

                    My Coculus client is showing ready to go, integrated in Steam Client, all I need if my next upgrade and I'll be ready to run VR at the resolution I want.

                    MSI services and support are really good, which is more than what can be said about Oculus or Thrustmaster, since the last hurdle is to be able to use my HOTAS in DCS in VR, which is not yet the case.

                    Some fine tuning should solve this problem soon enough.
                    MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX AMD Ryzen B450 ATX DDR4 Motherboard, AMD Ryzen 5 3600X, EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB, 32GB Kit DDR4-3200, 22' Samsung, Oculus Rift CV1. Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Thinder View Post
                      I don;t know why everyone should go for Nvidia, I have my upgrade entirely AMD, and next month go full VR with another combo; AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 and Ryzen 5 2600X CPU Six Core 4.2GHz, another two month to go for full dunding.
                      May I ask why you chose the 2600x over the 3300x? Availability ?

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                        #12
                        I got similar simulated results bounding them together with more power on tap, 6 core vs 4... (I do video editing).

                        I order all my gear from the same company, very competent techies.

                        We looked at diverse solutions based on the RX700 XT graphic card, they suggested trying to obtain the best bound possible which is the reason, the Ryzen 3 remain an option, it will depend on budget.
                        Last edited 07-31-2020, 07:58 PM.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Thinder View Post
                          I got similar simulated results bounding them together with more power on tap, 6 core vs 4... (I do video editing).

                          I order all my gear from the same company, very competent techies.

                          We looked at diverse solutions based on the RX700 XT graphic card, they suggested trying to obtain the best bound possible which is the reason, the Ryzen 3 remain an option, it will depend on budget.
                          While the 5700XT is a fairly decent GPU for the money, it's not especially great in handling DCS in VR. It's fine at many other VR specific titles, but I can't get anywhere near the same pixel density as my 1080ti in DCS. This could be a matter of the lower available VRAM, which why I opted for the the 1080ti in the first place. I have a Rift CV1 (Kids) and S. I bought the 5700XT for my kids' computer, and there are things I like about it that gives me hope for their next gen. If it outperforms the 2080ti, has more than 8GB of VRAM, and is reasonably priced, I'm in.
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                            #14
                            I'm curious to know what were your other devices, because the whole point here is bounding.

                            A new 1080ti i is <> £270 more expensive than the 5700XT, more than a Ryzen 52600X six core, meaning, with my budget, i'll have to keep this processor, a Ryzen 3 3200G.

                            I have a solution though, since I want Max res for VR, Selling this GPU (5500 XT, new) to CEX computer Exchange and buy one of their 1080ti, they are guaranteed 24 month.

                            The Ryzen 3 3200G is a very strong processor, I can easily pull an extra 10% out of it, I have a good Artic Freezer cooler for it.

                            Average bottleneck percentage: 7.14% reduced to 4.89% at 110% CPU setting, good enough at 2150P/4K with little loss for lack of good bounding, then I can upgrade the processor later.


                            My VR kit is a brand new Rift CV1 purchased at low price on EBAY, Power Unit is a Corsair 750w...



                            Last edited 08-02-2020, 04:09 AM.
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                              #15
                              I'm currently on the the Ryzen 9 3900X with 32GB of DDR4-3600 with the Rift S, but started on with a CV1 & R7 2700 that eventually became my kids' Rig. I've had the 1080ti for 3 years now and I eventually bought the 5700XT to replace the R9 Fury for better VR performance in their PC. I occasionally steal it for other reasons, but I haven't specifically tested the combination of the CV1 and the 5700XT in DCS, but some research indicated there is a difference in the video processing offloaded to the GPU between the CV1 and the Rift S. The inside-out tracking is probably more intensive. It might be a non-issue with the CV1, but the S is far less smooth in DCS on the 5700XT.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by blkspade View Post
                                I'm currently on the the Ryzen 9 3900X with 32GB of DDR4-3600 with the Rift S, but started on with a CV1 & R7 2700 that eventually became my kids' Rig. I've had the 1080ti for 3 years now and I eventually bought the 5700XT to replace the R9 Fury for better VR performance in their PC. I occasionally steal it for other reasons, but I haven't specifically tested the combination of the CV1 and the 5700XT in DCS, but some research indicated there is a difference in the video processing offloaded to the GPU between the CV1 and the Rift S. The inside-out tracking is probably more intensive. It might be a non-issue with the CV1, but the S is far less smooth in DCS on the 5700XT.

                                Understood.

                                For as long as my CPU and GPU are bounded at the highest resolution it's OK, I wasn't considering an Nvidia card but my knowledge of VR is limited so I didn't have a clue.


                                I have a good motherboard, it supports a lot of Ryzen CPUs and 32 GB DDR4 3200 RAM, still can upgrade later.


                                I started to set my Rift up with this combo, only one sensor instaled, just to make sure I'll learn a little about it, it looks pixelated and need to be set up at higher resolutions, the 5500 obviously doesn't take it but tracking and viewing is smooth.


                                I decided to go VR because I just can't track a target visually with PoV hats and zoom.


                                I can go with the 1080ti because the low cost solutions exists and I have some headroom for overclocking my CPU.


                                Thanks for the tip anyway!
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                                  #17
                                  I'm having a pause or stutter issue with my 1080. I just upgraded my Mobo, CPU, PSU, and RAM (Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro, i9-9900K, Rosewill 1000W, and 32GB of 3200MHz RAM, respectively).

                                  This was in an attempt to finally eliminate this pausing (randomly for a 1 sec), but to no avail. I've got a high end system (with exception of the GPU), but still the same problem. I am running the 451 version Nvidia driver. Do you think going back to a older driver may be the answer? If so, how far do I need to go back?
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ouseler View Post
                                    I'm having a pause or stutter issue with my 1080. I just upgraded my Mobo, CPU, PSU, and RAM (Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro, i9-9900K, Rosewill 1000W, and 32GB of 3200MHz RAM, respectively).

                                    This was in an attempt to finally eliminate this pausing (randomly for a 1 sec), but to no avail. I've got a high end system (with exception of the GPU), but still the same problem. I am running the 451 version Nvidia driver. Do you think going back to a older driver may be the answer? If so, how far do I need to go back?
                                    Have you tried to add all the DCS drawers as exception on Windows Defender or whatever antivirus you have?
                                    The leftAlt+Enter thing too?
                                    (Many people are solving stutters on the last OB with thinghs like those).

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by ouseler View Post
                                      I'm having a pause or stutter issue with my 1080. I just upgraded my Mobo, CPU, PSU, and RAM (Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro, i9-9900K, Rosewill 1000W, and 32GB of 3200MHz RAM, respectively).

                                      This was in an attempt to finally eliminate this pausing (randomly for a 1 sec), but to no avail. I've got a high end system (with exception of the GPU), but still the same problem. I am running the 451 version Nvidia driver. Do you think going back to a older driver may be the answer? If so, how far do I need to go back?
                                      Interestingly , with my new build (below) i used the default driver Windows installed (Nvidea 432.00) and have never updated it , so well does the default run .
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ouseler View Post
                                        I'm having a pause or stutter issue with my 1080. I just upgraded my Mobo, CPU, PSU, and RAM (Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro, i9-9900K, Rosewill 1000W, and 32GB of 3200MHz RAM, respectively).

                                        This was in an attempt to finally eliminate this pausing (randomly for a 1 sec), but to no avail. I've got a high end system (with exception of the GPU), but still the same problem. I am running the 451 version Nvidia driver. Do you think going back to a older driver may be the answer? If so, how far do I need to go back?

                                        is HPET disabled?

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