Aluminum Donkey Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Greetings everyone, I've been playing with the new Nvidia driver (417.71) that allows G-Sync to work with AMD Freesync monitors. In a word, it's awesome, and works really well! Only thing is, when I go away from my computer and let the monitor sleep (backlight turns off), and come back to it and wake the monitor up by moving the mouse or hitting a key, G-Sync is no longer working properly. My monitor at 75Hz skips frames, and I have to go into NVCP and change the refresh rate to 60 Hz, then change it back to what I want (75 Hz) for G-Sync to re-enable. I've read about people having this problem with 'real' G-Sync monitors, so it can't just be because I'm using a Freesync one. When it's working, it's great, and I'd love to keep using it--just without this inconvenience. I can avoid it by disabling Sleep Mode in my monitor, but the backlight stays on all the time and I don't want that. Any ideas? AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headwarp Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Haven't noticed an issue with my g-sync monitor when I've let the monitor go to sleep. I did have issues with upgrading from 417.35 to 417.76 with an express install that caused performance issues in various titles. FPS was all over the place in one game I was playing. Could have fixed it with DDU, but it instead did a fresh windows install for other reasons anyway. Not saying that your nv driver installation is corrupted, but mine was after an express install. Everything seems normal with 417.76 now. Spoiler Win 11 Pro, z790 i9 13900k, RTX 4090 , 64GB DDR 6400GB, OS and DCS are on separate pci-e 4.0 drives Sim hardware - VKB MCG Ultimate with 200mm extension, Virpil T-50CM3 Dual throttles. Blackhog B-explorer (A), TM Cougar MFD's (two), MFG Crosswinds with dampener. Obutto R3volution gaming pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Haven't noticed an issue with my g-sync monitor when I've let the monitor go to sleep. *** Could have fixed it with DDU, but it instead did a fresh windows install for other reasons anyway. Not saying that your nv driver installation is corrupted, but mine was after an express install. Everything seems normal with 417.76 now. I had a G-Sync monitor quite a while ago, and it did the same thing as my Freesync one does now--G-Sync disabled on wake. Where did you get the 417.76 driver? The Nvidia website only shows 417.71. AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headwarp Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I meant 417.71.. brain fart. Might point out that even if I let my display sleep, I never let my system go into hibernation. I'd rather just turn the PC off. Hibernation has some kind of issue in every version of Windows I've ever used >.< I stick to High Performance power plan. Spoiler Win 11 Pro, z790 i9 13900k, RTX 4090 , 64GB DDR 6400GB, OS and DCS are on separate pci-e 4.0 drives Sim hardware - VKB MCG Ultimate with 200mm extension, Virpil T-50CM3 Dual throttles. Blackhog B-explorer (A), TM Cougar MFD's (two), MFG Crosswinds with dampener. Obutto R3volution gaming pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 There is a known issue, for over a year by now, that takes place if you have GF Experience installed -AND- game controllers, of any kind, plugged in. That haunted me till I found out what hinders my PC from going to sleep, it was GF-Exp. Deinstalled it and all worked. Maybe it's related to yours....and your driver has a hotfix available iirc, check that too, Guru3d.com Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) I meant 417.71.. brain fart. Might point out that even if I let my display sleep, I never let my system go into hibernation. I'd rather just turn the PC off. Hibernation has some kind of issue in every version of Windows I've ever used >.< I stick to High Performance power plan. I always let my display sleep (backlight off), because I don't want the backlight on all the time when I'm not using the PC. I don't Hibernate my PC, I just want the monitor backlight off. I can disable Sleep Mode in the monitor's menus, so the backlight stays on even when I'm not using my computer. Then, it isn't a problem--G-Sync works all the time. I just don't want the backlight on when I'm not using my computer, it wastes electricity and puts un-needed time on the backlight. I'm both cheap & broke, so I need my monitor to last as long as possible :) hehehehe AD Edited January 24, 2019 by Aluminum Donkey Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headwarp Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) soo Bitmaster's right 417.75 is up @ Guru3D.. but it was mostly related to a flickering on the main display caused by HDMI being used for a secondary display from what i read. I installed since I have a monitor and my HMD. Still, nah never really had issues with g-sync simply because of the monitor going to sleep. Plenty of times where g-sync has been broken with a windows update or a flaky driver update however. Don't drive yourself nutty hehe. 417.71 and 417.75 are the first two drivers to touch freesync. I'd post your experiences on that public spreadsheet and hope nvidia sees it and fixes it in future updates. Edited January 25, 2019 by Headwarp Spoiler Win 11 Pro, z790 i9 13900k, RTX 4090 , 64GB DDR 6400GB, OS and DCS are on separate pci-e 4.0 drives Sim hardware - VKB MCG Ultimate with 200mm extension, Virpil T-50CM3 Dual throttles. Blackhog B-explorer (A), TM Cougar MFD's (two), MFG Crosswinds with dampener. Obutto R3volution gaming pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 soo Bitmaster's right 417.75 is up @ Guru3D.. but it was mostly related to a flickering on the main display caused by HDMI being used for a secondary display from what i read. I installed since I have a monitor and my HMD. Still, nah never really had issues with g-sync simply because of the monitor going to sleep. Plenty of times where g-sync has been broken with a windows update or a flaky driver update however. Don't drive yourself nutty hehe. 417.71 and 417.75 are the first two drivers to touch freesync. I'd post your experiences on that public spreadsheet and hope nvidia sees it and fixes it in future updates. Ok, I just tried driver version 417.75. Looks like it doesn't work as well, because G-Sync doesn't work below about 52 or 53 FPS. It just switches to what appears to be normal VSync mode, causing stuttering. So, I certainly won't be using that! I just want to try it to see if it works without disabling itself all the time. 417.75 appears to have "gimped" G-Sync because people were complaining about flickering in dual-monitor setups with one monitor on DisplayPort and the other on HDMI. I'll keep it for a little while and play around with it, but I'll probably go back to 417.71, which allowed G-Sync to work over an extremely wide FPS range, and gave amazing results in DCS World. Oh man, I hope Nvidia gets all this crap sorted out! I'd love to use G-Sync, it's awesome when it works properly, but oh man is it ever an infuriatingly finicky pile o' steaming dookie right now! AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Sorry everyone, but it looks like the new driver sucks. (417.75). Confirmed with Nvidia's pendulum test that G-Sync quits working below about 52 FPS, making it rather useless in DCS when flying close to the ground in Vegas or Normandy.... I don't know how to bypass that 52FPS limit, or if it's possible at all, but I certainly want to because of how crappy it is. Looks like I'll have to go back to the older one until Nvidia assembles their fecal matter. This is a mighty shame, because I really like my new used GTX 1080 Ti, and would love to use G-Sync. The two together are kinda the ultimate combination for use on a "moderately-high-end" PC. Years ago, I bought an Nvidia graphics card and a *very* expensive G-Sync monitor to go with it. I had the exact same problem--G-Sync would keep turning itself off when away from the PC for a little while, and was sometimes difficult to re-enable, requiring switching resolutions in NVCP and sometimes even a graphics card re-start, only to have it quit on me again. Looks like it'll be a while before Team Green gets their rubbish sorted out. AD Edited January 25, 2019 by Aluminum Donkey Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 Ok, I messed around with my PC for a little while, and now G-Sync seems to be working properly with the 417.75 driver, across the whole range of framerates. Danged if I know what changed, but at least it's working :) Unfortunately, even with the new driver, G-Sync still turns itself off whenever the monitor sleeps and I have to re-enable it by switching resolutions back and forth. People with "real" G-Sync monitors (not Freesync) are having this problem too. So, devil only knows what'll happen in the long run. AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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