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    Su-30 accidentally shot down in training

    Surprised nobody here has picked up on this already:

    http://alert5.com/2020/09/23/russian...ight-training/

    so... apparently Russian fighters sit around loaded with live ammo and they forget to remove it for trainings? And do these jets not have a "Master Arm - TRAINING" mode, that simulates the tracking symbology but inhibits actual firing?
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    I read that news piece earlier today as well. At least the pilots ejected safely. Reminds me of how much we need an Su-35 in DCS, as that was the perpetrator.

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      #3
      What a MiG-31 can do a Su-35 can do better

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        #4
        Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
        What a MiG-31 can do a Su-35 can do better
        I want to know the backstory to this now.
        Last edited by VC; 09-24-2020, 07:35 PM.
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          #5
          Someone's backside is going to be in a sling after they're through with the disciplinary procedures.

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            #6
            Originally posted by VC View Post
            I want to know the backstory to this now.
            Surprisingly not that long ago https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-fire-exercise

            Atleast there shouldn’t be doubts about the effectiveness of R-33 now....

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              #7
              No but there should now be doubts about how it works;

              The R-33 is a very long-range air-to-air missile that can be loosely considered an analog for the American AIM-54 Phoenix long-range air-to-air missile. It uses Inertial Navigation System guidance to get to the general target area after getting cued in the right direction by the launching aircraft. A semi-active radar homing system helps with initial target acquisition and then provides updated position information during the missile's mid-course flight profile. An active radar seeker in the missile kicks in during the terminal phase to guide it the rest of the way to the target.
              It may be loosely considered an analogue of the AIM-54, but the above description is only accurate for that(and only for the C version even)... certainly not for the R-33

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                #8
                https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/a-russi...t-turned-real/

                Another write up.
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                  #9
                  Still makes me question why they don't have (or weren't using) some kind of training/simulation mode of master arm.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by VC View Post
                    Still makes me question why they don't have (or weren't using) some kind of training/simulation mode of master arm.
                    Official word was an IFF related mistake, I’m sure if target drones were involved that could be one reason, if they were intending for a live launch

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
                      Official word was an IFF related mistake, I’m sure if target drones were involved that could be one reason, if they were intending for a live launch

                      Ah yeah for the MiG-31s that makes sense, but I meant for the Su-35 gun going off.
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                        #12
                        Ah. DCS IFF. Anything not responding is assumed hostile.
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                          #13
                          In soviet Russia, training rounds kill you!!!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rrohde View Post
                            I read that news piece earlier today as well. At least the pilots ejected safely. Reminds me of how much we need an Su-35 in DCS, as that was the perpetrator.

                            Accidents happen; there was the F-16 that flew into its own bullets, and the other incident where a technician fired rounds from an F-16 that totaled another F-16 on the ground.
                            Got a source on the Viper that caught its own rounds? I recall the Danes being the ones who scored an own goal with that tech who bullseyed the other Viper.

                            But, I hadn't heard of one getting hit by its own rounds. I've heard of an F-11F Tiger that managed to gunkill itself!

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by MiG21bisFishbedL View Post
                              Got a source on the Viper that caught its own rounds?
                              I believe he was refering to this:

                              https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...e-from-itself/

                              I recall the Danes being the ones who scored an own goal with that tech who bullseyed the other Viper.
                              No not us - that accident happened in Belgium.

                              There was another recent incident in Norway, where an F-16 accidently strafed a manned control tower.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by VC View Post
                                Still makes me question why they don't have (or weren't using) some kind of training/simulation mode of master arm.
                                Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
                                Official word was an IFF related mistake, I’m sure if target drones were involved that could be one reason, if they were intending for a live launch
                                Human error: the power of the gun was not turned off - this had to be done by technical personnel on the ground. Also, the pilot did not test firing to the side (to check that the gun is not loaded)
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