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    #61
    Originally posted by golani79 View Post
    Why even take the time to respond to such a nonsense post?
    Precisely
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      #62
      just because you guys are blind doesn't mean the elephant doesn't exist.

      when i say mig-19 texture suck, i don't mean they 'don't have enough detail', it's that the details are poorly executed. ao seems suspect, the bumpmaps are crude, the entire thing looks like its made of concrete.

      this isn't weathered painted metal, this is colored concrete.
      it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

      its not a showstopper though and im not gonna be like "im not gonna buy it if it's not made with photogrammetry", i just think that this doesn't quite reach even the baseline artistic standard set by ed in the mig-15 or f-5 (as many complaints as those get; while simplistic, they are solid artistically). i think whoever is doing the textures is trying too hard, in the wrong areas. instead of highlighting strengths while disguising weaknesses, a lot of the 'canned' weathering only serves to draw attention in undesirable ways.



      i take issue with the rendering of the weathering too, and it all looks pretty unrealistic because irl each individual area weathers in a unique way. you can't just apply bird droppings to every edge and call it a day.
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      hahaha hey look at me i surely know more about aviation and coding than actual industry professionals hired for their competency because i have read jalopnik and wikipedia i bet theyve never even heard of google LOL

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        #63
        Originally posted by probad
        this isn't weathered painted metal, this is colored concrete.
        You know what´s the problem with painted stuff? That after sometime it turns a little hard to know which one is the material below that paint. Maybe you don´t know, but fighter cockpits get really weathered, again, really weathered and the paint get weird characteristics.

        If I show this part alone. Would you know which material is below the paint?



        If you tell me you do, sorry if it is hard to believe.

        Here you have the entire pic from where that part belongs:



        Another "concrete" cockpit example:



        Yeah, but that´s a museum/stored piece that is extra weathered, well, here you have one from an operational MiG-23 at the time:

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          #64
          it's not about what the irl material is, it's about what your materials look like. your cockpit doesn't look like painted wood or metal. the bumpmaps are too strong. pitting and scratches that irl would be fractions of a millimeter you make look millimeter+ deep and so it all looks sandblasted to hell and back. you have a resolution limit on your texture, if you can't do details of a certain fineness, you should try to avoid them or approach them differently.
          in the end your cockpit simply doesn't look and feel like the photographs you're posting. if you can't see that then there's no point but i assure you there's a reason why heatblur's art draws eyes and yours doesn't.

          don't worry though ill still buy the mig-23 because its the only game in town. im just saying theres room for improvement if you've got the resources.
          Last edited 05-30-2020, 07:37 PM.
          hahaha hey look at me i surely know more about aviation and coding than actual industry professionals hired for their competency because i have read jalopnik and wikipedia i bet theyve never even heard of google LOL

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            #65
            Sorry, but that´s your opinion then. I heard it and answered, but I don´t agree.

            As I told before, many that know about this reviewed the cockpit and liked it. You also have real examples presented to you that somehow you don´t think that look alike.

            You also have two more different cockpit liveries to choose as well, unless you also think that those are not good too.

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              #66
              no lol i would rather accept what i think is flawed artistry than replace it with someone else's, i respect your work at least that much.

              sorry to pull it so far from the topic but i only felt so pained because i was reminded of how good the mig-19 hipoly renders looked to me before. i only wished that textures would do justice to your meshes.
              Last edited 05-30-2020, 08:05 PM.
              hahaha hey look at me i surely know more about aviation and coding than actual industry professionals hired for their competency because i have read jalopnik and wikipedia i bet theyve never even heard of google LOL

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                #67
                Originally posted by OverStratos View Post
                You also have real examples presented to you that somehow you don´t think that look alike.
                Well, they don't look a like.
                The game one has very high bump mapping applied, while the real ones are very flat because soft light. The detailing is grudge on the game one, while in reality it is very smooth, unless you get paint tearing from the material because various other reasons, but those typically are either then chipped off, pulverized or gets crystalized because rust and so on for various reasons.

                But what do I know, after working decades with paints and materials.... And computer graphics and modeling.
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                  #68
                  You guys are silly. The Razbam models are exquisite.

                  The proof? It triggers OCD! Using a magnifier to question depth of the paint chipping.. *blink*
                  I mean, if this model triggers people to start talking about the governing dynamics of paint or how many coats of paint is historically accurate, Youve got a Winner.

                  And it is a winner. The only reason i havent gotten the MiG19 is the real world problem of ammo count (and im broke as sin) Maybe the next sale.

                  The real area that Razbam shines is the flight model, that Harrier is awesome and the flight model had to be problematic to write. Or flip the VRILLE switch in the Mirage.

                  I regularly down 16's and 14's in my Mirage. If that F15 and Flogger have a flight model comparable to the other modules? and it looks like the 19? ..i might have a conniption fit.

                  a conniption fit of JOY.. that is.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by probad View Post
                    no lol i would rather accept what i think is flawed artistry than replace it with someone else's, i respect your work at least that much.

                    sorry to pull it so far from the topic but i only felt so pained because i was reminded of how good the mig-19 hipoly renders looked to me before. i only wished that textures would do justice to your meshes.
                    I’m pretty sure they are made by Razbam and come with the module default, the clean cockpit for example, I thought that was what was meant

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                      #70
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by -Rudel- View Post
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                          #72
                          Cockpit on the 19 looks fantastic looking forward to the MiG-23!
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                            #73
                            Rivet counters and/or naysayers...

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Bartacomus View Post
                              You guys are silly. The Razbam models are exquisite.

                              The proof? It triggers OCD! Using a magnifier to question depth of the paint chipping.. *blink*
                              I mean, if this model triggers people to start talking about the governing dynamics of paint or how many coats of paint is historically accurate, Youve got a Winner.

                              And it is a winner. The only reason i havent gotten the MiG19 is the real world problem of ammo count (and im broke as sin) Maybe the next sale.

                              The real area that Razbam shines is the flight model, that Harrier is awesome and the flight model had to be problematic to write. Or flip the VRILLE switch in the Mirage.

                              I regularly down 16's and 14's in my Mirage. If that F15 and Flogger have a flight model comparable to the other modules? and it looks like the 19? ..i might have a conniption fit.

                              a conniption fit of JOY.. that is.
                              Well. You do get points for the second most amusing response here.
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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Wizard_03 View Post
                                Cockpit on the 19 looks fantastic looking forward to the MiG-23!
                                Yeah, lets just hope they spend more time on the FM and avionics.
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                                  #76
                                  Originally posted by Harlikwin View Post
                                  Yeah, lets just hope they spend more time on the FM and avionics.

                                  Ditto. Well for myself, I've been really enjoying these free trial weekends. So I will definitely be waiting to buy AFTER I try it first. I waited on the F-16CJ and it was the right call because when I tried it last month I was pretty disappointed, but happy I hadn't committed, and now that it looks like it's gonna take back seat to the hornet It'll prolly be some time before its in a good place but that's ok because I'm not invested in it. I can just get it next year or whenever it's closer to being out of the oven.



                                  From now on I'll support the devs when I see good progress and a stable product, not before. I'm participating in too many open betas for DCS products right now lol
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                                    #77
                                    The MiG-23... damn... => Instabuy for me.
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                                      #78
                                      Disclaimer: I did not intent to derail that topic like that with my post.
                                      ED forum is still a warzone
                                      I'll buy :
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                                        #79
                                        Originally posted by Wizard_03 View Post
                                        Ditto. Well for myself, I've been really enjoying these free trial weekends. So I will definitely be waiting to buy AFTER I try it first. I waited on the F-16CJ and it was the right call because when I tried it last month I was pretty disappointed, but happy I hadn't committed, and now that it looks like it's gonna take back seat to the hornet It'll prolly be some time before its in a good place but that's ok because I'm not invested in it. I can just get it next year or whenever it's closer to being out of the oven.



                                        From now on I'll support the devs when I see good progress and a stable product, not before. I'm participating in too many open betas for DCS products right now lol
                                        Do whatever you like dude but remember, 2020 is not the 90s (rise of flight sim era) and we had only Falcon 4.0 (now BMS) for two decades with no real alternatives till DCS started to evolve.

                                        So:

                                        It's support/keep alive if you find something interesting or else we risk flying Cessnas in Flight Simulator or Falcon BMS for another two decades.

                                        Besides... this community slowly starts to remind me of Harpoons crazy community back then.
                                        Last edited 06-01-2020, 07:43 AM.
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                                          #80
                                          Originally posted by TheCabal View Post

                                          It's support/keep alive if you find something interesting or else we risk flying Cessnas in Flight Simulator or Falcon BMS for another two decades.
                                          I think there are enough 3rd parties that we can start to be choosy IMO. I mean I get the sentiment to support things, but on the other hand, ask yourself what is it that you are actually supporting? I have 0 issues pre-buying a HB or Deka module at this point because the likelihood of me being disappointed is low. OTOH I see what the harrier is like X years later, and what it was on release and I have worries. That being said the Mig19 while it had its issues at least was corrected pretty quickly and is OK in my book at this point, not great mind you but not terrible. I'm mostly hoping for the same with the 23, but I'm absolutely not going to pre-buy it.
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