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    Originally posted by 71st_AH Rob View Post
    F-86 has been out of EA for quite awhile and still is not really "finished". It is still my favorite module but is about as finished as the Harrier which I also enjoy a great deal. Much of the problem is that those things that are not implemented are not there because the DCS environment does not yet support it. Much new tech needed to be developed by RAZBAM that DCS World lacked.

    Some of the unfinished systems in the Saber are already in DCS, like a working fire detection system, an accurate gun sight and the ability to communicate with JTAC, but have not been implemented or were and have been broken since DCS 1.X. So I don't feel that RAZBAM is doing badly, in fact I feel they are raising the bar.

    I too desire complete and bug free modules, but are you sure you are judging RAZBAM by the same standard as ED, Heatblur and Belsimtek? Name a feature complete module from ED. The Spitfire? Nope, two years to get bombs and drop tanks... Since July it has had cockpit reflection when the canopy is open where it used to be. Five months you couldn't see out of the front windshield. Were they working on it all this time? No, they abandoned it to devote all efforts to the Hornet. Was the Hornet released feature complete? No. Is it completed yet? No, they're working on systems that they need to develop new tech for that doesn't exist yet in DCS World, the same things the Harrier is dependent on. Will they jump back and finish the Spitfire anytime soon? I doubt it, they need to fix a bunch of problems with the technology for the Stennis to work, the same stuff the Tarawa is waiting for.

    I hope that people will refrain from making disparaging remarks and innuendo about a product that has not been released yet, otherwise I fear the naysayers will drive RAZBAM away from DCS.

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      Compared to all the Mirage 2000 sims out there, I would say RAZBAM's is the most finished one.

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        Originally posted by 71st_AH Rob View Post
        I too desire complete and bug free modules, but are you sure you are judging RAZBAM by the same standard as ED, Heatblur and Belsimtek? Name a feature complete module from ED.
        The A-10C Thunderbolt II is complete and I really enjoy it. I'm just getting into the Harrier and the bugs and incompleteness is disconcerting.

        I'm relatively new to DCS and it has been an education to discover that you pay out money for incomplete products that may not be finished for years, if at all. It has taken some getting used to. For example, I've pre-ordered the F-14A/B from Heatblur, but I won't actually use it for a long time to come. I spent the money so that the company knows that I support the product but, in all likelihood, I won't have a fully useable product for a while. I have the F/A-18C as well and have not flown it at all because I want to fly and learn the finished product.

        I don't think it's out of line for customers to ask the company from which they purchased a product to please finish that product in a timely manner. It is likely that I missed something in a long conversation but I don't understand the rant.
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          Originally posted by Phil73805 View Post
          The A-10C Thunderbolt II is complete and I really enjoy it. I'm just getting into the Harrier and the bugs and incompleteness is disconcerting.

          I'm relatively new to DCS and it has been an education to discover that you pay out money for incomplete products that may not be finished for years, if at all. It has taken some getting used to. For example, I've pre-ordered the F-14A/B from Heatblur, but I won't actually use it for a long time to come. I spent the money so that the company knows that I support the product but, in all likelihood, I won't have a fully useable product for a while. I have the F/A-18C as well and have not flown it at all because I want to fly and learn the finished product.

          I don't think it's out of line for customers to ask the company from which they purchased a product to please finish that product in a timely manner. It is likely that I missed something in a long conversation but I don't understand the rant.

          A-10C was released what? 10 years ago? and has had a lot of development to get where it is and it was revolutionary at the time of release. It is now looking a little long in the tooth when compared with some of the new modules, though overall it has held up well. It certainly was not anywhere near bug free or complete on release, in fact it took five or six years to release the map that was promised with it.



          So the rant is about people throwing stones over a module not being finished that has not even been released yet.
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            That sounds awesome, Thanks for the M-2000 and the Harrier.

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              Originally posted by 71st_AH Rob View Post
              So the rant is about people throwing stones over a module not being finished that has not even been released yet.
              I thought it was about the list of bugs of the A-10 and Ka-50 that has been growing steadily over the years and to show that even the oldest modules aren't working as they should

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                Originally posted by realtrance View Post
                To date, whether it's for FSX or for DCS, they've never really gotten "complete" with either their Harrier or other efforts (I have their GR7s as well for FSX, all good models, just partial systems).
                A lot of people here weren’t around back then but RAZBAM earned something of a reputation for abandoning half baked (being generous) projects on another platform. The original Harrier specifically burned a lot of bridges with that community.
                That’s why they haven’t and won’t get a dime from me on DCS until they actually finish something. I occasionally check these forums specifically for that reason and from the looks of it my wallet is safe.

                Originally posted by Dehuman View Post
                I thought it was about the list of bugs of the A-10 and Ka-50 that has been growing steadily over the years and to show that even the oldest modules aren't working as they should
                I left DCS because of frustration with the lack of development and long list of unaddressed bugs compounded with getting sick and tired of flying around in Caucuses. Six years later and yeah there are a couple more maps. But many of the exact same core bugs exist, every single aircraft is either in eternal incomplete ‘early access’, or is unmaintained and functionally abandoned (no, they swear it’s being worked on!!) and there’s now an unfocused incoherent splintering into wwii, semi-modern military, and civilian branches.
                What ED does well, they do better than everyone else, but there is so much BS, broken promises, and bugs that it pretty quickly doesn’t become worth it to me. Sorry for the rant here. We’ll see what 2019 brings I guess.
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                  Originally posted by moonshot View Post
                  A lot of people here weren’t around back then but RAZBAM earned something of a reputation for abandoning half baked (being generous) projects on another platform. The original Harrier specifically burned a lot of bridges with that community.
                  That’s why they haven’t and won’t get a dime from me on DCS until they actually finish something. I occasionally check these forums specifically for that reason and from the looks of it my wallet is safe.



                  I left DCS because of frustration with the lack of development and long list of unaddressed bugs compounded with getting sick and tired of flying around in Caucuses. Six years later and yeah there are a couple more maps. But many of the exact same core bugs exist, every single aircraft is either in eternal incomplete ‘early access’, or is unmaintained and functionally abandoned (no, they swear it’s being worked on!!) and there’s now an unfocused incoherent splintering into wwii, semi-modern military, and civilian branches.
                  What ED does well, they do better than everyone else, but there is so much BS, broken promises, and bugs that it pretty quickly doesn’t become worth it to me. Sorry for the rant here. We’ll see what 2019 brings I guess.
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                    Originally posted by 71st_AH Rob View Post
                    So the rant is about people throwing stones over a module not being finished that has not even been released yet.
                    Actually that makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying. Not really appropriate to start whining before the module has been released

                    Having said that, I wish they’d finish the Harrier.
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                      Originally posted by Phil73805 View Post
                      Actually that makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying. Not really appropriate to start whining before the module has been released

                      Having said that, I wish they’d finish the Harrier.
                      Me too, but some things are dependent on ED finishing first.
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                        RAZBAM DCS and old RAZBAM FSX (which was two guys, part-time) is like night and day.

                        I'm satisfied with everything they -- and DCS are doing. It's all an immense undertaking, and the results have been spectacular.
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                          +1 I couldn't agree more!!
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                            I think that given complexity of today's bar in aircraft simulation, I think we won't see any bug-free feature complete simulated aircraft anywhere soon. I do not see any module in DCS stable, which would be much better than Mirage 2000, even A-10C has a fair share of its problems (like something as fundamental as cockpit lights does not work, making it nearly impossible to fly at night, formation lights, CCIP mode problems, etc.). Even simple FC3 aircraft have a lot of really long standing bugs, which have been there for more than 5 years (CCRP problem with Su-25A, autopilot in Su-25T, texture bugs, etc. etc. etc.). Viggen is still getting a lot of substantial fixes, F-14 will be no different. Simulating these complex systems is often as difficult as designing/reverse engineering them and we need to be tolerant here and expect bugs/problems/missing features and I've learned to enjoy what I have. You would be surprised that also real aircraft are full of "bugs" and systems problems which take years to solve and some even remain unresolved as far as my experience goes in aircraft industry and avionic (AFCS) systems. I also applaud RAZBAM for what it is doing and I hope they will continue to bring us some more interesting (eastern) aircraft like Mig-23ML and I will support them as much as I can in order to keep our niche high fidelity sim market alive and diverse.
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                              in order of roadmap razbam, the next will be the A29, Mirage III, and also mig 23

                              AV-8B Night Attack Harrier II done
                              Mig-19 (final versions to be announced) on the way
                              A-29 Super Tucano todo
                              Mirage III todo

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                                so where does the Razbam F15E fit since its not on the roadmap?

                                theyve been showing off new HD textures of 3d modelling aspects of the F15E within the past few months.





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                                  I’m a loyal customer and enjoy RAZBAMs products but I think there is more going on than just a couple of bugs here and there.
                                  The M2000 midlife upgrade revealed that the module had some serious discrepancies with the original from start especially in avionics and systems modeling. This is more serious than “a small bug”.

                                  The harrier looks like it was gobbled up so that it barely worked then pushed out the door with little work since. Sure it’s fun and I get to blow stuff up because it has most of its weapons but the avionics and systems department has some teething bugs or omissions since day 1...

                                  DCS’ main selling point over any other sim out there is the fidelity of the avionics and the flight model and eventually I’d like to get what I paid for and no I don’t agree with the excuse that all the bugs are there because ED are changing the core coding of the game all the time.

                                  Having said that I still support RAZBAM and will be a day 1 customer on the Mig19 despite my reservations.

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                                    Originally posted by dimitrischal View Post
                                    I’m a loyal customer and enjoy RAZBAMs products but I think there is more going on than just a couple of bugs here and there.
                                    The M2000 midlife upgrade revealed that the module had some serious discrepancies with the original from start especially in avionics and systems modeling. This is more serious than “a small bug”.

                                    The harrier looks like it was gobbled up so that it barely worked then pushed out the door with little work since. Sure it’s fun and I get to blow stuff up because it has most of its weapons but the avionics and systems department has some teething bugs or omissions since day 1...

                                    DCS’ main selling point over any other sim out there is the fidelity of the avionics and the flight model and eventually I’d like to get what I paid for and no I don’t agree with the excuse that all the bugs are there because ED are changing the core coding of the game all the time.

                                    Having said that I still support RAZBAM and will be a day 1 customer on the Mig19 despite my reservations.
                                    I understand some peoples concern however the Mig19 is a much simpler aicraft in terms of avionics than anything else razbam has done within DCS. Its a largely analog plane without any modern electronics or other highly complex features found in modern aircraft. So id like to thnk Mig19 will be in a very playable state upon release , have most if not all features working and for the team having an easier time to fix bugs.
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                                      Originally posted by moonshot View Post
                                      I left DCS because of frustration with the lack of development and long list of unaddressed bugs compounded with getting sick and tired of flying around in Caucuses. Six years later and yeah there are a couple more maps. But many of the exact same core bugs exist, every single aircraft is either in eternal incomplete ‘early access’, or is unmaintained and functionally abandoned (no, they swear it’s being worked on!!) and there’s now an unfocused incoherent splintering into wwii, semi-modern military, and civilian branches.
                                      What ED does well, they do better than everyone else, but there is so much BS, broken promises, and bugs that it pretty quickly doesn’t become worth it to me. Sorry for the rant here. We’ll see what 2019 brings I guess.
                                      Thanks for the perspective. What I'm starting to see the high level of ambition (fidelity, and the list of features) combined with the high cost of development may be something of a problem. It's difficult to develop and maintain (how long? 10 years or more?) the software with single-sale revenue stream.
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                                        Originally posted by Kev2go View Post
                                        I understand some peoples concern however the Mig19 is a much simpler aicraft in terms of avionics than anything else razbam has done within DCS. Its a largely analog plane without any modern electronics or other highly complex features found in modern aircraft. So id like to thnk Mig19 will be in a very playable state upon release , have most if not all features working and for the team having an easier time to fix bugs.
                                        I was not referring to the Mig19 exclusively, but the whole “policy” that RB seem to follow.
                                        Also it appears ED agrees with me and the others and has stepped in halting MiG19s release until it reaches a satisfactory state. Let’s hope mistakes of the past are not repeated.

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                                          Originally posted by dimitrischal View Post
                                          I’m a loyal customer and enjoy RAZBAMs products but I think there is more going on than just a couple of bugs here and there.
                                          The M2000 midlife upgrade revealed that the module had some serious discrepancies with the original from start especially in avionics and systems modeling. This is more serious than “a small bug”.

                                          The harrier looks like it was gobbled up so that it barely worked then pushed out the door with little work since. Sure it’s fun and I get to blow stuff up because it has most of its weapons but the avionics and systems department has some teething bugs or omissions since day 1...

                                          DCS’ main selling point over any other sim out there is the fidelity of the avionics and the flight model and eventually I’d like to get what I paid for and no I don’t agree with the excuse that all the bugs are there because ED are changing the core coding of the game all the time.

                                          Having said that I still support RAZBAM and will be a day 1 customer on the Mig19 despite my reservations.

                                          +1 .....With the difference that I will not buy the Mig-19 ...


                                          And even if I'm interested in the Mirage 2000C I will not buy it until it's actually the airplane it's supposed to be, best wishes for the Harrier too ...


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