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    Wingsweep during CASE I overhead

    Any particular reason why when flying overhead carrier on CASE I recovery wings should be swept all the way back?

    Just to look cool?
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    I wonder this as well, to me it's just faffing around when you need to concentrate on other stuff and then having to trim it out and then back again.

    I had heard that trimming it then sets you up for the AOA on speed once the wings are out but it never works out for me that way.

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      #3
      IIRC, this is because you would lose more speed and faster during the break
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        #4
        Yep, helps bleed speed in the break, and allows for a closer formation in the break which ensures the last guy to break isn’t too close in on the downwind. Oh yeah, and it looks cool.
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          The formation thing makes sense but bleeding more speed? I can't see how going from wings in to wings out in favour of wings out all the time would bleed more speed, the drag in the break will be the same (both with wings out) for both situations.

          If its a formation thing then when not in a formation on the overhead does the wing sweep still apply really?

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            Originally posted by Father Cool View Post
            The formation thing makes sense but bleeding more speed? I can't see how going from wings in to wings out in favour of wings out all the time would bleed more speed, the drag in the break will be the same (both with wings out) for both situations.

            If its a formation thing then when not in a formation on the overhead does the wing sweep still apply really?
            It makes sense, as I think to remember procedure, in that you are expected to be besides the boat from the initial at 350 kts 800ft.
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              No, drag won’t be the same. Drag will be much higher for a given AoA when the wings are swept back. And that’s exactly what you need.

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                Originally posted by Father Cool View Post
                The formation thing makes sense but bleeding more speed? I can't see how going from wings in to wings out in favour of wings out all the time would bleed more speed, the drag in the break will be the same (both with wings out) for both situations.

                If its a formation thing then when not in a formation on the overhead does the wing sweep still apply really?
                Doesnt swept wings change your wings into quasi delta wing? And that would increas drag at high AoA...
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                  I think it was purely for cosmetics. There was no aerodynamic reason to manually sweep the wings full aft coming into the overhead.

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                    Originally posted by Father Cool View Post
                    I can't see how going from wings in to wings out in favour of wings out all the time would bleed more speed, the drag in the break will be the same (both with wings out) for both situations.
                    Originally posted by Reflected View Post
                    No, drag won’t be the same. Drag will be much higher for a given AoA when the wings are swept back. And that’s exactly what you need.
                    Originally posted by The_Tau View Post
                    Doesnt swept wings change your wings into quasi delta wing? And that would increas drag at high AoA...
                    As Reflected and Tau said, drag will most certainly not be the same. Wings back means less lift per unit of AOA, thus more AOA to remain level, so more alpha induced drag, plus most likely more trim drag from the stabs, so more drag just in level flight from all that. On top of it all, the "delta" configuration will mean even more induced drag at higher AOA, so you definitely bleed more
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                      Pitch trim for level flight with wings swept is closer to on-speed trim when configured on downwind.
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                        #12
                        So far I asked 3 pilots face to face, and 3 times the reply was: "because it looks badass" ... Piloting wise, it has not much benefit over the wings being in auto at all imo. And I pestered the pilots, probing for them letting the joke out and giving the real answer, "it is trim, though, right?", but no, they insisted "because it looks badass".
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