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    #41
    Originally posted by PLAAF View Post
    In the box at top right corner.
    They can’t be right or are mixing up Pero information which I believe is X band. The original N-001 is an S band Radar, a much longer wavelength that i believe has worse accuracy and tail aspect ability. As far as I can tell, all N-001 variants that do not have Pero have the original S band antenna. Even the Wikipedia article says as much when it says antenna is in 3cm band, right in middle of S band frequencies.

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      #42
      This wouldn't the the first erroneous claim of guiding multiple SARH missiles to separate targets simultaneously ... for the Flanker and for other aircraft as well.
      Wiki is not a systems capabilities source, only a research starting point at best.

      And in this case, it looks like it is just mis-interpretation the way the sentence is written. It's capable of SARH and ARH missile employment, and it can engage multiple targets with ARH, 'obviously'.
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        #43
        An MSA radar (Like the N001 family sans the Pero, which is vapourware) usually does DTT through having the beam hop quickly between two targets and the hack rate would not be enough for SARH guidance. It seems to be a feature unique to PESA equipped aircraft as they can have multiple beams IIRC.

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          #44
          AFAIK PESA doesnt have multiple beams, it just moves its beam extremely quickly. AESA can definitely have multiple beams at once.
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            #45
            Interesting info: (RLPK-27VEP) N001VEP is the improved SU-30MKK N001VE having a range of 250km the N001VEP (RLPK-27VEP) has a range of 300km can detect 10 targets to attack at 4 targets simultaneously tracks at an angle of 120 degrees in Venezuela has detected an F-16A Block 15 160km and another SU-30 200km. The radar looks down and up systems with anti-jamming features.

            In contrast to the upcoming Eurofighter Typhoon module, the Su 30MKI N011M Bars radar would be the right one.

            On 21 July 2015, India and UK began the bilateral exercise named Indradhanush with aircraft operating from three Royal Air Force bases. The exercises included both Beyond Visual Range (BVR) and Within Visual Range (WVR) exercises between the Su-30MKI and Eurofighter Typhoon. Indian media reported the results were in favour of the IAF with a score of 12-0 at WVR engagements. They also claim that the IAF Su-30MKIs held an edge over the Typhoons in BVR engagements though not in as dominating a manner. The RAF issued a statement that the results being reported by the Indian media did not reflect the results of the exercise.[86] According to Aviation International News In close combat, thrust vector control on the Flankers more than compensated for the greater thrust-to-weight ratio of the Typhoon.

            Another question about Eurofighter Typhoon...

            Against AIM 54 and Meteor missiles, the RVV BD would be the solution. When Meteor missile enters DCS World, F 16 and F 18 pilots will cry!

            Test firing of the Russian R-37M hypersonic air-to-air missile (also known as RVV-BD) from the Su-35 fighter jets are planned for end-2020 while flight tests to confirm compatibility with the Su-35 have already commenced.

            The R-37M is intended to be the main long-range air-to-air weapon for current and future Su and MiG type Russian fighter jets well into the next decade. It is intended to replace the R-77 missiles whose maximum range is around 100 km at supersonic speeds (2-3 times the speed of sound) compared to the R-37M’s 200 km at hypersonic speeds (six times the speed of sound).

            The missile will compete with the Raytheon-made AIM-120C (160 plus km range), the AIM-260 JATM (200 km plus range) being developed by Lockheed Martin and MBDA’s Meteor (160 km range with 60 km ‘no-escape-zone’) that is among the weapons for the Rafale, Gripen and F-35 jets .

            Though the missile is claimed to have a 200 km range, the ideal targeting distance (also known as no-escape-zone) depends upon the type of enemy aircraft; for fighter jets it is 40–70 km, for stealth aircraft or cruise missiles, this distance would be less, for large bombers or early warning aircraft, the effective firing distance could be greater than 70 km-100km. The missile is able to take advantage of its hypersonic speed at relatively shorter targeting distance and hit enemy aircraft equipped with the most sophisticated missile detection systems.

            Sorry bad english!
            Last edited 09-30-2020, 06:24 AM.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Pöri View Post

              In contrast to the upcoming Eurofighter Typhoon module, the Su 30MKI N011M Bars radar would be the right one.
              Dude, this is a flight simulation. Not a game. Fairness should only be achieved via getting a better plane or a better variant of plane.

              If it is the MKK, then it is MKK. Deka only make Chinese modules, so if you want something better, you will have to ask for MKK2 or MKK 3 or even a J-15 or J-16. But as of right now, there isn't even enough data for MKK as it is. So we are definitely not getting the MKK2.

              Originally posted by Pöri View Post


              Test firing of the Russian R-37M hypersonic air-to-air missile (also known as RVV-BD) from the Su-35 fighter jets are planned for end-2020 while flight tests to confirm compatibility with the Su-35 have already commenced.

              The R-37M is intended to be the main long-range air-to-air weapon for current and future Su and MiG type Russian fighter jets well into the next decade. It is intended to replace the R-77 missiles whose maximum range is around 100 km at supersonic speeds (2-3 times the speed of sound) compared to the R-37M’s 200 km at hypersonic speeds (six times the speed of sound).

              The missile will compete with the Raytheon-made AIM-120C (160 plus km range), the AIM-260 JATM (200 km plus range) being developed by Lockheed Martin and MBDA’s Meteor (160 km range with 60 km ‘no-escape-zone’) that is among the weapons for the Rafale, Gripen and F-35 jets .
              I doubt we will have enough data to make R-37M or the Meteor.

              Originally posted by Pöri View Post

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                #47
                Originally posted by PLAAF View Post
                Dude, this is a flight simulation. Not a game. Fairness should only be achieved via getting a better plane or a better variant of plane.

                If it is the MKK, then it is MKK. Deka only make Chinese modules, so if you want something better, you will have to ask for MKK2 or MKK 3 or even a J-15 or J-16. But as of right now, there isn't even enough data for MKK as it is. So we are definitely not getting the MKK2.

                I doubt we will have enough data to make R-37M or the Meteor.

                You are not excused

                J 11A same air to air missiles like Su 30MKK!
                J 11A get MFI 55, N001VE only 5 km away worse locking range than N001VEP!
                J 11A use same air to grund weapons like Su 30MKK!

                I dont undertand why get Su 30MKK...

                Real solution platforms use R 33, R 33S, R 33E, RVV SD, R 37, R 37M, RVV BD!

                Real solution to better than crap R 27ER and lucky R 27ET shots and crap R 77 only 10 - 15 km no escape zone vs noob pilots lucky kills.

                F 16 - FA 18 - F 14 pilots watching you datalink 100+ km, use TWS + AMRAAM shot without RWR alert and turn out the air combat. This is the problem!

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by GGTharos View Post
                  This wouldn't the the first erroneous claim of guiding multiple SARH missiles to separate targets simultaneously ... for the Flanker and for other aircraft as well.
                  Wiki is not a systems capabilities source, only a research starting point at best.

                  And in this case, it looks like it is just mis-interpretation the way the sentence is written. It's capable of SARH and ARH missile employment, and it can engage multiple targets with ARH, 'obviously'.
                  R-27R/ER was from the begining designed for dual target engagement. It works with half the "PRF", so homing pulse 1 goes to target 1, homing pulse 2 to target 2 and the cycle repeats, with additional pulses that the radar itself uses for tracking between the individual homing phases.
                  Radio correction works the same, there are two time slots, for missile 1 and for missile 2, which allows for dual target engagement as well.
                  And that is for R-27 made in the 80's!

                  With a PESA such as BARS on a Su-30 it is absolutely possible to engage two targets at the same time with R-27R/ER
                  Last edited 09-30-2020, 07:21 PM.

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                    #49
                    I think the question is more whether a MSA radar can do it practically, not the missile itself. AFAIK you need at least a PESA to do that practically.
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                      #50
                      Yes, but Su-30MKI, MKA, MKM and SM have such a PESA and the ability to engage two targets at once.

                      They can also STT lock 4 targets at once and engage all of them with R-77.

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                        #51
                        Originally posted by Pöri View Post
                        J 11A same air to air missiles like Su 30MKK!
                        J 11A get MFI 55, N001VE only 5 km away worse locking range than N001VEP!
                        J 11A use same air to grund weapons like Su 30MKK!

                        I dont undertand why get Su 30MKK...

                        Real solution platforms use R 33, R 33S, R 33E, RVV SD, R 37, R 37M, RVV BD!

                        Real solution to better than crap R 27ER and lucky R 27ET shots and crap R 77 only 10 - 15 km no escape zone vs noob pilots lucky kills.

                        F 16 - FA 18 - F 14 pilots watching you datalink 100+ km, use TWS + AMRAAM shot without RWR alert and turn out the air combat. This is the problem!
                        Nope, things like R-37 are very much classified. So they won't be properly modelled. As a flight sim, we are here for realism. Nothing should be buffed or nerfed unless it is for accuracy sake. If Mkk2 can't be done, then it can't be done.
                        F-16, 18 and 14 watch you from datalink. Well, that's their feature. If it is accurately modelled, then it is not their fault. In fact some people were saying that JF-17 should be nerfed because it has better staff than many other western planes. If they play the game just to sooth their nationalist ego, they should go and play ace combat, where they won't even encounter any Chinese plane and they can mod the plane into whatever flashy thing they like.

                        So yes, Su-30 has the same weapon as the J-11A, but it is also a 2 seater plane with full range of air to ground capabilities. That's its selling point. But don't put your hopes up. Because as of this moment, Deka couldn't even get enough data to model Mkk. I am just happy if they can role out their next module as quickly as they can, whatever they chose.
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                          #52
                          Originally posted by PLAAF View Post
                          Nope, things like R-37 are very much classified. So they won't be properly modelled. As a flight sim, we are here for realism. Nothing should be buffed or nerfed unless it is for accuracy sake. If Mkk2 can't be done, then it can't be done.
                          F-16, 18 and 14 watch you from datalink. Well, that's their feature. If it is accurately modelled, then it is not their fault. In fact some people were saying that JF-17 should be nerfed because it has better staff than many other western planes. If they play the game just to sooth their nationalist ego, they should go and play ace combat, where they won't even encounter any Chinese plane and they can mod the plane into whatever flashy thing they like.

                          So yes, Su-30 has the same weapon as the J-11A, but it is also a 2 seater plane with full range of air to ground capabilities. That's its selling point. But don't put your hopes up. Because as of this moment, Deka couldn't even get enough data to model Mkk. I am just happy if they can role out their next module as quickly as they can, whatever they chose.

                          Eurofighter Typhoon coming to DCS World: https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=730

                          Eurofighter use this air to air weapons!



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                          This is my option to DCS World and all Flanker and Fulcrum lover!


                          Deka create J 11A + MFI 55!
                          MiG 29 + MFI 55 = MiG 29BM or MiG 29SM. Deka send the MFI 55 to ED and ED upgrade MiG 29S to MiG 29SM.
                          Deka Send J 11A cockpit to ED and ED upgrade Su 27 + MFI 55.
                          We fly and love the Fulcrum and Flanker and 7 year not get any update!


                          This is my I think it works option!


                          Watch this (MFI 55 to Flanker): https://558arp.by/eng/products-and-s...0-aircraft-eng


                          Watch this (MFI 55 to Fulcrum): https://558arp.by/eng/products-and-s...9-aircraft-eng


                          Last edited 10-02-2020, 06:32 AM.

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                            #53
                            And the Su 25 lovers: https://558arp.by/eng/products-and-s...5-aircraft-eng

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                              #54
                              Originally posted by Pöri View Post
                              Eurofighter Typhoon coming to DCS World: https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=730

                              Eurofighter use this air to air weapons!



                              Missiles: [284]




                              This is my option to DCS World and all Flanker and Fulcrum lover!


                              Deka create J 11A + MFI 55!
                              MiG 29 + MFI 55 = MiG 29BM or MiG 29SM. Deka send the MFI 55 to ED and ED upgrade MiG 29S to MiG 29SM.
                              Deka Send J 11A cockpit to ED and ED upgrade Su 27 + MFI 55.
                              We fly and love the Fulcrum and Flanker and 7 year not get any update!


                              This is my I think it works option!


                              Watch this (MFI 55 to Flanker): https://558arp.by/eng/products-and-s...0-aircraft-eng


                              Watch this (MFI 55 to Fulcrum): https://558arp.by/eng/products-and-s...9-aircraft-eng


                              Only if they can be accurately modeled. I don't know if the EF can model those accurately, if not, I am not buying it.
                              Actually, as far as I know, the EF we are going to get is one of the least capable version which only have AIM-120 for BVR attack.
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                                #55
                                About the J-11A's MFI 55 update
                                Will they fix the Peer to Peer and Fighter to Fighter modes on the Flanler DL and have them working in MP?



                                I know it's technically ED'S bug to fix but it seems they're unwilling to fix it
                                I'd hope Deka would

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                                  #56
                                  Just another vote for Deka to make a '00 era Redfor multi-role fighter. Similarly happy to pay whatever it takes.

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                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by TaxDollarsAtWork View Post
                                    About the J-11A's MFI 55 update
                                    Will they fix the Peer to Peer and Fighter to Fighter modes on the Flanler DL and have them working in MP?



                                    I know it's technically ED'S bug to fix but it seems they're unwilling to fix it
                                    I'd hope Deka would
                                    I’m assuming it would piggyback off the same code for the current link 16/17/4 and would work, I would think

                                    I don’t know why people are saying MKK has same weapons as J-11A. Even if you mean only air to air, there’s two extra pylons to carry anything you want

                                    But along with a better RWR I think it gets L-150, better OLS with a helmet mounted sight that has 60 degree field of view, I think you will find a lot of reasons to fly 30MKK even if only from an air to air perspective

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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
                                      I’m assuming it would piggyback off the same code for the current link 16/17/4 and would work, I would think

                                      I don’t know why people are saying MKK has same weapons as J-11A. Even if you mean only air to air, there’s two extra pylons to carry anything you want

                                      But along with a better RWR I think it gets L-150, better OLS with a helmet mounted sight that has 60 degree field of view, I think you will find a lot of reasons to fly 30MKK even if only from an air to air perspective
                                      L 150 total russian military secret!

                                      In my opinion, all versions of the N001 are weak and outdated. The N011M is best suited to compete with the American TWS + AMRAAM concept. Better but AMRRAM remains strong anyway. What MKK knows is what J 11A knows!

                                      I think because of military secrets, Russian modern is completely out of the question! Chinese J 11B would be more competitive!
                                      Last edited 10-02-2020, 02:43 PM.

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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by Pöri View Post
                                        L 150 total russian military secret!

                                        In my opinion, all versions of the N001 are weak and outdated. The N011M is best suited to compete with the American TWS + AMRAAM concept. Better but AMRRAM remains strong anyway. What MKK knows is what J 11A knows!

                                        I think because of military secrets, Russian modern is completely out of the question! Chinese J 11B would be more competitive!
                                        Well this N-001VE in Su-30MKK has TWS, so even without much better range I think it would be a very good contemporary match for the current F-18/F-16

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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
                                          Well this N-001VE in Su-30MKK has TWS, so even without much better range I think it would be a very good contemporary match for the current F-18/F-16

                                          And the ECM jamming? Enemy turn on ECM TWS go garbage like Su 27 or MiG 29? If there is no TWS like F 15C it is not good for anything. Once you have that, progress begins!
                                          Last edited 10-02-2020, 03:09 PM.

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