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    #21
    Originally posted by Gladman View Post
    "For young women or people of color, not seeing yourself in these roles makes it harder to imagine being able to ever do it yourself"

    Yet they do it every day.
    Not at a proportionate rate to white men, as a percentage of the population.

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      #22
      Originally posted by tspencer227 View Post
      Not at a proportionate rate to white men, as a percentage of the population.
      Which population? Which country? DCS isn't about just one nation, it represents most of the world in terms of military air power. I curious about where you expect to see these pilots, most of the planes (not all but most) in DCS have pilots with helmets w/ visors so you can't see the face anyway. If you turn the pilot body on, you're wearing a flight suit with gloves. It's supposed to be a first person point of view anyway. If you're just asking for the option, cool I get it, but I think their are bigger fish to fry in DCS before this issue.

      Learn to do skins, most of the pilots are able to be edited. You want a black pilot, go make one. You want female voices, add them to your missions. Personally I find the training mission in the A-10C and the P-51 be be an awesome switch, as I believe they use a person of color for that voice. The beauty of DCS is it can be anything you want it to be, if you're willing to put the effort in.

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        #23
        Regarding different voices being available, as in female voices for the females or even "black" voices for blacks etc.

        Modern neural networking tech has made it almost trivial to generate your own custom voices for the game as long as you have the text you want to be read.


        The biggest problem with DCS pilot customization however is the lack of moustache customization, which shouldn't be mere texture without any 3d geometry on the pilot.

        Absolute travesty considering how important moustaches are in proper aviation

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          #24
          Originally posted by Northstar98 View Post
          But for me the main place I'd like to see diversity is in radio communications, the more voice actors and the more variety in the voice acting the better.
          Exactly this. It would make communications more realistic but nothing too important.
          My two cents about the turn this community is taking
          https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=284141

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            #25
            Originally posted by Expert View Post
            Exactly this. It would make communications more realistic but nothing too important.
            That's right! Incompetent male ATC needs to have incompetent female ATC too! This is clearly bias against men.
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              #26
              Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
              It’s always nice to see yourself represented to some degree. How would you feel if this game had only female voices and bodies and you were forced into that one option at all times? A lot here would probably call it early access and want to know if or when male voice/body will be added
              Being forced into that one option may not be unenjoyable or uncomfortable for you, but I would hope you don’t see anything wrong in people saying it does have an impact on them and that more then once choice would be a good thing
              I promise you, me and many others have not made this request in anger but genuinely wish for it like any of the other 3D/model wishlists here, so as your post says I hope you don’t hate me or others that wish for it
              The important thing is not to make it a sexist thing, i don't find it right. I used the word hate but not in the worst sense. There are several women in the ED team at work but i don't think it's a priority for them. The communication voices should be mixed and for the pilot body, well in the end they are quite covered. Making a well-built body unfortunately requires some work.
              This speech will take on importance when the dynamic campaign comes out, i say this because surely you can choose to impersonate a female or male pilot by choosing a predetermined physical appearance as for the other famous sim, you know what i'm talking about... here it is necessary to have the voice and the body of a woman, but for now i do not see the need.
              My two cents about the turn this community is taking
              https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=284141

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                #27
                Originally posted by SharkWizard View Post
                Regarding different voices being available, as in female voices for the females or even "black" voices for blacks etc.
                The more voices and the more different voices the better, and it'll be better for everybody using the radios. It is the perfect place for diversity, and IMO something sorely needed, and if radio communication is getting overhauled anyway, then even more of a perfect fit.

                I mean if you go to English voices, we've got 1 pilot voice (who changes voice, in one case drastically, depending on who he's talking to), 1 ATC voice, 1 AWACS/GCI voice, 1 JTAC voice, and like 3-4 voices for wingmen/other flights.

                Supercarrier was a slight improvement, main improvements were the marshal voice (which is female), but now the pilot drastically change their voices between talking to the carrier, and talking to anything else.
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Expert View Post
                  The important thing is not to make it a sexist thing.
                  You keep using that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means. At all.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Nealius View Post
                    While we're at it let's also add:

                    -Asian
                    -Middle Eastern
                    -Indian
                    -Martian

                    Awaiting angry replies about using incorrect demonyms.

                    Id also like to request gender confused.

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                      #30
                      I'm a mountain man. I want a pilot with a beard and buckskins.
                      Buzz

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                        #31
                        Have to say that I'm with the OP. Yes, it would be good to have other races and sexes represented.

                        As for the voices, I think that it would be ace if it was fairly easy to create your own set, then be able to share, such that I could provide and English voice, and hopefully trade it with a Russian, Australian and so on.
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                          #32
                          I dont see why asking for representation is such a big deal, I fully agree.

                          After all, everybody cries for a Skin or Livery that "represents" them right? well the same thing here. Or we should make 2 liveries per plane and lock it....

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by Expert View Post
                            The important thing is not to make it a sexist thing, i don't find it right. I used the word hate but not in the worst sense. There are several women in the ED team at work but i don't think it's a priority for them. The communication voices should be mixed and for the pilot body, well in the end they are quite covered. Making a well-built body unfortunately requires some work.
                            This speech will take on importance when the dynamic campaign comes out, i say this because surely you can choose to impersonate a female or male pilot by choosing a predetermined physical appearance as for the other famous sim, you know what i'm talking about... here it is necessary to have the voice and the body of a woman, but for now i do not see the need.
                            Thank you for this more measured response, I would only respectfully say that even if you do not see a need, does not mean there isn’t one for other people

                            Originally posted by Gladman View Post
                            "For young women or people of color, not seeing yourself in these roles makes it harder to imagine being able to ever do it yourself"

                            Yet they do it every day.
                            Doesn’t mean it’s always easy. Or that there couldn’t be more people involved if things were different. I mean the Tuskegee airmen also flew and served everyday, but would they have been happy with things staying the same from WWII? Maybe there wouldn’t be such a pilot shortage if recruitment tools like Top Gun didn’t re in force the stereotype that fighter jockey is synonymous with sausage party.



                            Originally posted by Nealius View Post
                            If the gender or race of a fictional 3D model that exists in a virtual fantasy land triggers people then they need to grow the frak up.
                            I would really like to see this post where someone making this request was “triggered” by the pilot body. Unless you meant it about someone else? I appreciate the BSG reference, but I would say some people should also grow up to have empathy for how especially an aviation sim might have more obstacles to say immersion for women then it does for men.

                            Originally posted by SharkWizard View Post
                            Regarding different voices being available, as in female voices for the females or even "black" voices for blacks etc.

                            Modern neural networking tech has made it almost trivial to generate your own custom voices for the game as long as you have the text you want to be read.


                            The biggest problem with DCS pilot customization however is the lack of moustache customization, which shouldn't be mere texture without any 3d geometry on the pilot.

                            Absolute travesty considering how important moustaches are in proper aviation
                            You could seriously ask for mustaches, or new helmet, or new callsign, and I bet there wouldn’t be a single post saying dev time is better spent somewhere else. You wouldn’t have to defend your reason or validity for wanting a new mustache/helmet/callsign, and you wouldn’t have to put up with people without a new mustache/helmet/callsign telling you that a new mustache/helmet/callsign wouldn’t even solve your problem becuase you don’t have a problem. Seat moving via the in cockpit switch? You might have one of these questions asked, but for some reason female pilot bodies always gets this special unique response.

                            Thank you to everyone that has actually shown empathy, wether your opinion is different or not. I can only hope that some people in this thread eventually learn the same skill of atleast trying to see the world through the eyes of someone else.

                            . Any other women or other people not often represented in flight sims reading this, I hope you stick with it and I admire you for being here, I hope you’ve experienced some of the inclusion of our better community members

                            Many posts in this thread are part of the very reason there is so few women in this hobby, or even people that will say they are a woman here.

                            I go back to my original post here that I think an answer to would be interesting, what if the situation was reversed and there have only been female pilots and voices since release? Would there be posts saying it’s early access or that it’s not complete without male voices? Would the people that are posting here for things to stay the same, would they be posting on this hypothetical forum about a hypothetical DCS saying male voices need to be added with the justification of realism and immersion? What if all the pilots were black? How many would say a white pilot is absolutely required for a flight sim?

                            People literally go crazy when there is a woman on comms sometimes, I would think most of you
                            would atleast be okay with us requesting A desire that you may not necessarily share. I know I’m not the best at articulating all this and I’m not the most convincing, but you all make it really hard for me not to say this. I really hoped I wouldn’t have to make long posts, but I saw so many posts that if I was reading these right when I got into the hobby as a sick disabled woman who wanted to live out a dream just like everyone else here, I might have never joined in the first place, and I don’t want that to happen to others who may have a genuine interest. It took me years to even find a virtual squadron that had women in it, I would hope there are more as time goes on, for all our sakes
                            Last edited 09-24-2020, 07:25 PM.

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                              #34
                              Not a woman, but I'm in full support the idea of more voices/models/skins of various nations and voices when applicable (IE, when we can see the pilot's face/skin/contours).

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                                #35
                                I could care less about what they offer others. I just want a beard and buckskins because that's what I look like.

                                You thought I was kidding? There's a reason I hunt with an old flintlock.
                                Buzz

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                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post
                                  You could seriously ask for mustaches [...] and I bet there wouldn’t be a single post saying dev time is better spent somewhere else.
                                  As it certainly should


                                  That out of the way. I have no problem with adding other customization options for our ingame pilots.

                                  Maybe something like they have in Eveonline with loads more moustache customization options.

                                  Be assured that as soon as we have full-fidelity MiG-29 ED has my fullest blessings for commencing this endeavor.

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                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by AeriaGloria View Post

                                    I would really like to see this post where someone making this request was “triggered” by the pilot body. Unless you meant it about someone else? I appreciate the BSG reference, but I would say some people should also grow up to have empathy for how especially an aviation sim might have more obstacles to say immersion for women then it does for men.

                                    Thank you to everyone that has actually shown empathy, wether your opinion is different or not. I can only hope that some people in this thread eventually learn the same skill of atleast trying to see the world through the eyes of someone else.
                                    There is nothing wrong with adding anything to the sim that creates a more realistic aviation world, but I don't think empathy would be the best approach get the point across. A better approach, I think would be the community coming together to create the mods and sound files to better fill out the world, not because a black man HAS to fly as a black character in a simulator to make it feel immersive. A great example that I can give from personal xp was one of the groups I used to fly with used custom ATC voicing in for our training servers. They used a female voice with an accent more in line with that region. Gave it a nice different feel, but it was work the mission makers put in to make it more realistic, not ED. When we did carrier work in the PG we used filler audio/general ATC comms to fill the void between radio calls, they had plenty of female voices and people of color. The option is there for those will to put in the work to make it.

                                    If ATC voicing and skin color/male-female body features are what is keeping people from learning and getting better in this sim, I'm not sure any of us are going to be of help fixing their issues. But it still boils back to effort on the individual. Logbooks can have custom images for the pilot, you can edit the pilots of most planes just like creating liveries (male-female not sure much I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong). Hell, I made one with Deadpool flying a Viggen, trust me it's do-able.

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                                      #38
                                      As a newcomer on the forums, the community chipping-in is the general vibe I've been getting over the past few weeks.
                                      -Liveries, voiceovers in campaign missions, etc. -Doesn't Operation Piercing Fury have over 200+ voiceovers?

                                      Or, if not the community, then perhaps friends/aspiring actors/actresses who can do some voiceover work...

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                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by Gladman View Post
                                        "For young women or people of color, not seeing yourself in these roles makes it harder to imagine being able to ever do it yourself"

                                        Yet they do it every day.

                                        And it is exhausting.....

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                                          #40
                                          People look at their pilots?
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