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    AIM-7 Pitbull

    Yesterday, following a nice online engagement, I have been silently killed by an invisible weapon. I do not recall any RWR warning on that matter.

    The attached Tacview replay shows clearly it was an AIM-7 fired by a F-15C. Despite counter measures, the likely loss of the lock by the F-15C, followed by the death of the launcher F-15C.

    The AIM-7 flew strait to me for about 28 seconds without any possible guidance from the launcher aircraft.

    Looks like it turned "stealth" pitbull at some point...

    I have attached an extract of the acmi file (to open in Tacview, not in a text editor). I can provide you with the trk file as well if necessary.



    Check the attached acmi file for the full engagement!
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    #2
    In what some would describe as a pure self-less and heroic act, I turned back and sacrificed myself to save my teammate Vyrtuoz to avoid having to say to his wife and his 6 kids that he didn't come back from the front...
    All this for nothing because I didn't know the AIM7 was secretly a fox3
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      #3
      Did you have ECM on? Because then the AIM-7 was guiding on those emissions in Home on Jam (HOJ) mode
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        #4
        Impressive!

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        @QuiGon: You mean the AIM-7 can be autoguided in some cases?
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          #5
          Yep, the AIM-7s will guide on your jammer if you dont turn them off, and you will not get any RWR alert, as its passive
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            #6
            Thank you for the info.
            So, Vyrtuoz, was your jammer still on?
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              #7
              Originally posted by Flappie View Post
              Impressive!

              Click image for larger version Name:	AIM7.gif Views:	0 Size:	32.8 KB ID:	7114433

              @QuiGon: You mean the AIM-7 can be autoguided in some cases?
              I wouldn't call it autoguided, as almost all our guided weapons are auto guided (except LGBs and the RB05), but yeah, it will home in on the jamming aircraft without any offboard support.

              The AIM-120 can do the same btw, just like the modern russian missiles
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                #8
                Oh no not this bug again, it seems to re-appear almost every other major patch.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by nighthawk2174 View Post
                  Oh no not this bug again, it seems to re-appear almost every other major patch.
                  If you read the thread carefully, it might not be a bug at all, if the AIM-7 was fired in HOJ mode and if Vyrtuoz had his jammer on.
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                    #10
                    "AIM-7s will guide on your jammer if you dont turn them off"

                    Whoooot? Are you kidding me? I've never heard of this behavior. Are there any other FOX-1 type missiles that behave like this? And does that mean that CHAFF are useless as long as you have the ECM on?

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                      #11
                      All but the Super 530
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dagobert666 View Post
                        "AIM-7s will guide on your jammer if you dont turn them off"

                        Whoooot? Are you kidding me? I've never heard of this behavior. Are there any other FOX-1 type missiles that behave like this? And does that mean that CHAFF are useless as long as you have the ECM on?
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                          #13
                          "Home on Jam"

                          By the way... you shouldn't be able to notch an AIM-7
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Shadow KT View Post
                            "By the way... you shouldn't be able to notch an AIM-7
                            What makes you think so?

                            This is very wrong.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by dundun92 View Post
                              All but the Super 530
                              Not really. Many Fox 1 missiles do have HOJ capability, but there are more than just the Super 530 in DCS that don't have this capability. The R-3R is another Fox 1 missile for example that is not HOJ capable.
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                                #16
                                By the way, not all variants of the AIM-7 can do HOJ. Wasn't it just the MH variant ?
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                                  #17
                                  I don't know if the missile in question actually guided via HOJ, but if it did, it should do so ̶i̶n̶ ̶p̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶p̶u̶r̶s̶u̶i̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ with a sub-optimal trajectory, since it has no range, target heading and target speed info at all. If it guided like it had that info, then it's a bug.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Shadow KT View Post
                                    By the way, not all variants of the AIM-7 can do HOJ. Wasn't it just the MH variant ?
                                    I'm not sure, but AFAIK all currently available Sparrow variants (F, M, MH) are HOJ capable. You're right though that older Sparrow variants (that are not available in DCS yet) don't have this capability.

                                    Originally posted by Harker View Post
                                    I don't know if the missile in question actually guided via HOJ, but if it did, it should do so in pure pursuit only, since it has no range, target heading and target speed info at all. If it guided like it had that info, then it's a bug.
                                    Good point, that's true indeed
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Harker View Post
                                      I don't know if the missile in question actually guided via HOJ, but if it did, it should do so in pure pursuit only, since it has no range, target heading and target speed info at all. If it guided like it had that info, then it's a bug.
                                      PN guidance does not need range information, all it needs is the seeker to track the angular coordinates of the target which the seeker does in HOJ.

                                      A heatseeking missile does not need range information either to do a proper tracking with lead.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by BlackPixxel View Post
                                        PN guidance does not need range information, all it needs is the seeker to track the angular coordinates of the target which the seeker does in HOJ.

                                        A heatseeking missile does not need range information either to do a proper tracking with lead.
                                        Makes sense
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