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    #46
    Originally posted by WinterH View Post
    The chartacteristic "carrot" on the Mi-28's nose is for the guidance antenna for Atakas, again as far as I know. The latest variant omitted it, probably because they've mostly switched to laser guidance.
    The NM variant finally omitted it IIRC, but it looks pretty ugly without it IMHO.
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      #47
      Originally posted by WinterH View Post
      Ataka is available as both radio command or laser guided SACLOS as far as I know. In radio command guise, it is mostly compatible with the same guidance that was used for Shturm. The chartacteristic "carrot" on the Mi-28's nose is for the guidance antenna for Atakas, again as far as I know. The latest variant omitted it, probably because they've mostly switched to laser guidance.

      Anyway, there really isn't much to read into sighting and guidance system in Mi-24 . An optical sight (a periscope to be precise) that is stabilized, but has no automatic tracking or built in rangefinding capability guides the missile to whereever it is looking at, through radio waves.
      looks a lot like a simple magnified rifle scope...

      you said it is stabilized... so in this case, can the operator put the cross over the target, press some button and it will keep looking at that point no matter helicopter movements?

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        #48
        Originally posted by jacobs View Post
        you said it is stabilized... so in this case, can the operator put the cross over the target, press some button and it will keep looking at that point no matter helicopter movements?
        nope
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          #49
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          Originally posted by WinterH View Post
          Ataka is available as both radio command or laser guided SACLOS as far as I know…
          Yes, that's right. The 9M120-1(F) ATGM modification has a SACLOS laser-beam riding.

          Originally posted by WinterH View Post
          … The chartacteristic "carrot" on the Mi-28's nose is for the guidance antenna for Atakas, again as far as I know. The latest variant omitted it, probably because they've mostly switched to laser guidance…
          This is probably not the case. Judging by the KRET JSC information [web.archive in Russian], the capabilities of the SACLOS radio-guided of the ATGM is incorporated into the FCR mast-mounted of the Mi-28NM.

          Originally posted by Dudikoff View Post
          The NM variant finally omitted it IIRC, but it looks pretty ugly without it IMHO.
          As far as I know, so far there is only one the Mil's helicopter modification with a SACLOS laser-beam riding it is the new Mi-35P prototype. Moreover, judging by the statements of the Mil Helicopters developers, this modification in the base complete set will not be equipped with an ATGW at all, but it can be equipped with an ATGW with a SACLOS laser-beam riding (Shturm-VU or Vikhr-M) at the request of the customer.
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          Originally posted by WinterH View Post
          Ataka is available as both radio command or laser guided SACLOS as far as I know…
          Да, это верно. Модификация ПТУР 9М120-1(Ф) имеет ЛЛКУ.

          Originally posted by WinterH View Post
          … The chartacteristic "carrot" on the Mi-28's nose is for the guidance antenna for Atakas, again as far as I know. The latest variant omitted it, probably because they've mostly switched to laser guidance…
          Вероятно это не так. Судя по информации АО «КРЭТ» [веб-архив на русском языке], возможности РКСН ПТУР заложены в надвтулочную РЛС Ми-28НМ.

          Originally posted by Dudikoff View Post
          The NM variant finally omitted it IIRC, but it looks pretty ugly without it IMHO.
          Насколько мне известно, пока существует только одна модификация милевского вертолёта с ЛЛКУ – это новый прототип Ми-35П. Причём судя по заявлениям разработчиков вертолётов Миля, эта модификация в базовой комплектации вообще не будет оснащаться ПТРК, однако на неё может быть установлен ПТРК с ЛЛКУ («Штурм-ВУ» или «Вихрь-М») по желанию заказчика.
          Last edited by S.E.Bulba; 10-17-2020, 04:00 AM. Reason: update.
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            #50
            Originally posted by S.E.Bulba View Post
            Same as in the next video (starting at 4:30).



            Yes, you are absolutely right. This is a conventional radio-guided SACLOS.
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            Так же как и на следующем видео (начиная с 4:30).

            Да, Вы совершенно правы. Это обычная радиокомандная система наведения.

            Slightly O.T., but that's some pretty violent downwash effects the've implemented in that video - but I guess in a FFS having the trees thrash around adds to the immersion i& mental workload n tight landings near trees
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              #51
              Originally posted by S.E.Bulba View Post
              Same as in the next video (starting at 4:30).
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              In the video when shooting rockets the pilot's site isn't gyro-stabilized? This looks very "simplistic", like in Mi-8. I was under the impression pilot's sight for rockets/cannon is more advanced?
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                #52
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                Originally posted by CoBlue View Post
                In the video when shooting rockets the pilot's site isn't gyro-stabilized? This looks very "simplistic", like in Mi-8. I was under the impression pilot's sight for rockets/cannon is more advanced?
                Do you mean the ASP-17V gunsight? Yes, these points were discussed on Russian forums. There is an assumption that the pilot shoots without an ATsVU analog-digital computing device in manual mode (the range is set to '0'). In this firing mode, the ASP-17V operates as a conventional gyro gunsight, and nevertheless there are indeed questions about the implementation of the gunsight gyrostabilization by the "AVIA", Ltd.
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                Вы имеете в виду прицел АСП-17В? Да, эти моменты обсуждалось на русскоязычных форумах. Есть предположение, что пилот стреляет без аналого-цифрового вычислительного устройства АЦВУ в ручном режиме (установка дальности выставлена на «0»). В этом режиме стрельбы АСП-17В работает как обычный гироскопический прицел, и тем не менее к реализации гиростабилизации прицела от НПО «АВИА» действительно есть вопросы.
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