Stick limit although no stick-limit IRL?

[D4n]

When trimmed for Mach ~1.2, pulling joystick fully back doesn't pull stick back all the way in cockpit unless you then also trim up again. Unrealistic behaviour, or?

 

 

See trackfile.

MiG-29ScannotPullStickAllTheWayBack.trk

[Dagger71]

When trimmed for Mach ~1.2, pulling joystick fully back doesn't pull stick back all the way in cockpit unless you then also trim up again. Unrealistic behaviour, or?

 

 

See trackfile.

 

Check your curves and deadzones. Do a search for your specific joystick to compare. There is no right or wrong answer it will come down to specific individual preference

[Fri13]

Some aircrafts has pull limitator (shaker) in various speeds so that the pilot wouldn't pull too much. Like first giving you a shake to warn you for closing the limit, and then when you are at the limit the shaker can pull the stick from your hand with high force, unless you really hold on to it and fight it.

 

Does the MiG-29 has one? I don't know, but is it possible reason for it?

[Mars Exulte]

It's not curves or deadzones. A lot of aircraft have stuff in place to keep the pilot from doing something stupid... like fully deflecting the control surfaces at high mach numbers and ripping the plane apart.

[D4n]

A lot of aircraft have stuff in place to keep the pilot from doing something stupid... like fully deflecting the control surfaces at high mach numbers and ripping the plane apart.

 

Ok then the question is whether DCS MiG-29S breaks if pilot does trim-reset and full aft pull at over Mach 1

[Svend_Dellepude]

That's just how trim work. It displaces virtual stick. Above Mach 1 you have trimmed forward, so you need to trim back or reset. Could be nice if they made a nonlinear trim option like for the F-5.

[D4n]

you need to trim back or reset.

 

Source please? Afaik the stick should still be able to be moved all the way back, as afaik trimming is just an automatic temporary displacement of stick-position, like if you would hold the stick in specific position manually.

[Svend_Dellepude]

 

Source please? Afaik the stick should still be able to be moved all the way back, as afaik trimming is just an automatic temporary displacement of stick-position, like if you would hold the stick in specific position manually.

 

IRL yes or if you have a ffb stick it will work like this. You will also notice that when you trim down/forward you only have to push your joystick half way forward before you reach ingame limits. It's the same for all A/C in DCS if you haven't noticed. Except the F-5 which have a nonlinear option in the specials tab.

[D4n]

when you trim down/forward you only have to push your joystick half way forward before you reach ingame limits.

 

So this is the unrealistic part in DCS, right?

[Svend_Dellepude]

That's just the limitation you have with certain kinds of hardware. In the case of the MiG-29 this limitation is very noticeable at high mach, so we can only hope that ED will make a nonlinear or scaled option for the rest of the non fbw A/C. The problem with the scaled/non linear option is that if you trim forward the other direction will feel more sensitive and vice versa, but from my experience in the F-5, this is not too much of an issue somehow. At least the stick limits always correlate no matter how you have trimmed.