Necc Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 (edited) Does anybody else feel as if the Mig-29(s) tends to rapidly lose vertical velocity when landing? I am able to smoothly hold the aircraft (from 290 down to 250kmph IAS at 15 degrees of aoa at higher altitudes) without a drop in vertical velocity, but near the runway the aircraft loses altitude rapidly. Is this due to some kind of ground effect? Also I find the Mig-29 rather difficult to control at low speeds as it tends to be extremely pitch sensitive and prone to oscillations, especially during landing. Edited September 6, 2020 by Necc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I have found that landing at 300 Km/h is actually easier, like this: v5EmSeBk5qE For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4462766&postcount=154 Reduced taileron effectivness near ground. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I am able to smoothly hold the aircraft (from 290 down to 250kmph IAS at 15 degrees of aoa at higher altitudes) without a drop in vertical velocity, but near the runway the aircraft loses altitude rapidly. Is this due to some kind of ground effect? I feel your pain. Some kind of negative ground effect then (as the real ground effect makes your aircraft float a little during flare). On landing approach close to the ground the MiG-29 gets literally sucked into the ground. The devs will tell you it's all realistic and a "nose-dropping tendency" in accordance with the German Airforce Dash-1 manual of the MiG-29. :sad_2: 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4462766&postcount=154 Reduced taileron effectivness near ground. That would be true if the DCS MiG-29 really dropped the nose close to the flare. I never experienced this though. Keeping the attitude, at one point it just drops very suddenly and rapidly. That's not reduced taileron effectiveness, that's sudden loss of lift. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 8, 2020 ED Team Share Posted September 8, 2020 That would be true if the DCS MiG-29 really dropped the nose close to the flare. I never experienced this though. Keeping the attitude, at one point it just drops very suddenly and rapidly. That's not reduced taileron effectiveness, that's sudden loss of lift. No, it's not correct. Try to switch on the info-bar at the bottom of the screen and watch the track in slo-mo. Watch the AoA. To avoid nose drop you need to pull the stick at flaring and do not let the nose to go down keeping the landing attitude. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On landing approach close to the ground the MiG-29 gets literally sucked into the ground. Suggest that you simply watch the above video from Rudel_chw from 2:00 and you will see that the MiG-29 definitely does not get 'sucked into the ground' The slower you are during the approach, the more aft stick during the flare you need of course to counteract the nose down pitch moment. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Suggest that you simply watch the above video from Rudel_chw from 2:00 and you will see that the MiG-29 definitely does not get 'sucked into the ground' The slower you are during the approach, the more aft stick during the flare you need of course to counteract the nose down pitch moment. The video doesn't even show any flare at all. He was too high and let the plane bump on the runway, also a little too fast on touchdown. Normally the DCS MiG would answer this with a giant bounce or burst tires. I don't know why he got away with it. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The video doesn't even show any flare at all. He was too high and let the plane bump on the runway, also a little too fast on touchdown. Normally the DCS MiG would answer this with a giant bounce or burst tires. I don't know why he got away with it. Yes, bad landing but the famous bounce comes from nosewheels, not mains. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 9, 2020 ED Team Share Posted September 9, 2020 The video doesn't even show any flare at all. He was too high and let the plane bump on the runway, also a little too fast on touchdown. Normally the DCS MiG would answer this with a giant bounce or burst tires. I don't know why he got away with it. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1.The video doesn't even show any flare at all. 2. Normally the DCS MiG would answer this with a giant bounce or burst tires. I don't know why he got away with it. 1. Suggest to watch the video again. If a +5deg pitch change can't be considered a flare, I don't know what you consider a flare. 2. Because this apparently it wasn't such a bad landing ;) i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1. Suggest to watch the video again. If a +5deg pitch change can't be considered a flare, I don't know what you consider a flare. 2. Because this apparently it wasn't such a bad landing ;) We must have watched different videos. Either this or you have no idea what is considered a flare and a good landing. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) It wasn't a 'perfect' landing, but given the high ROD and the thrust setting on final it was pretty good. Apparently he did all the necessary things for a successful landing correct. Reduce the ROD and touchdown with the nosewheel in the air. It's that simple. No bounce, no damage to the aircraft. Edited September 9, 2020 by bbrz i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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