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    APKWS

    It is in the title. Sounds cool.

    #2
    Sounds cool indeed. But is it realistic?

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      #3
      Originally posted by razo+r View Post
      Sounds cool indeed. But is it realistic?
      As you infer , not within our Hornet's time-frame .
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        #4
        They actually planned to implement it. FOr CAS missions this would be a must. But i am okay with ED philosophy, we already have plenty to play with.

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          #5
          from what i read APKWS has only been implemented on USMC Legacy Hornets starting this year . The USN retired F/A18C from active duty service its only in training and reserve squadrons now. So they arent likely going to get any more upgrades in the form of avionics or newer weapon types like APKWS
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            #6
            I think RAZBAM planned to add these to their Harrier II. Would be good enough for me, the Hornet will have some other great toys

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              #7
              Originally posted by Eldur View Post
              I think RAZBAM planned to add these to their Harrier II. Would be good enough for me, the Hornet will have some other great toys
              If the Harrier got them, I'll be buying me a Harrier!!!!

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                #8
                I think actually Legacy Hornets weren't part of the urgent request package to implement them.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kev2go View Post
                  from what i read APKWS has only been implemented on USMC Legacy Hornets starting this year . The USN retired F/A18C from active duty service its only in training and reserve squadrons now. So they arent likely going to get any more upgrades in the form of avionics or newer weapon types like APKWS
                  Well,many of us fly Marine skins though. And the USMC does not fly "new" legacy Hornets, the fly the old one we have, the old Navy jets. The last new produced C models were delivered in 2000 (iirc).

                  The last 18C+ model otherwise was delivered in 2015 (iirc).

                  In the end, the DCS model is a bit of a mix of several years, even when they always say it is a 2005 model. Thats why I see no reason to not have things like APKWS or the GBU-54 for the Hornet in the sim.

                  Also they will never model certain systems that are still classified and/or could harm real pilots on active duty by being released, even if the know about them. And that is actually very good!

                  So it will never be 100% realistic.

                  Just give us stuff to play with, nobody would get harmed and it still would be realistic "enough".

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by amalahama View Post
                    I think actually Legacy Hornets weren't part of the urgent request package to implement them.
                    Our hornets were the second fixed wing aircraft APKWS was tested and qualified to use in combat operations.

                    Only difference is that our hornets should have APKWS available for it in missions 2017-2018+ with the Mission Editor year filter, and it disabled then have possibility to equip them at any mission year.
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                      #11
                      According to BAE this is a screw-on addition. Set the laser code on the guidance section and slide it into the tube. There's no modification to anything but the missile itself.


                      If you have a hydra pod and a laser you can use APKWS.


                      (this was from a different thread): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPXh0SpQU6w&t=0m31s

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                          Great stuff. Ok, no APKWS for the F-18...


                          ...but what about the F-5E-III? (sorry, couldn't resist)


                          I'm honestly pretty ambivalent about this; there's already so many things to drop off the F/A-18s wings already. Whatever needs doing there's probably a way.


                          If not, there's the A-10. If that can't kill it, on to the MiG-21...

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                            #14
                            Based to manufacturer representive responsible to APKWS project informations at BAE that I contacted, nothing that is said there is true.
                            NOTHING WAS CHANGED in the Hornets that were tested.

                            No new wiring, no software changes, nothing.

                            I am waiting if I get information from the personnel in the military side, but that is less likely happening.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Raisuli View Post
                              ...but what about the F-5E-III? (sorry, couldn't resist)
                              Just like manufacturer states, no modifications required, 100% compatible with all previous platforms capable launch non guided rockets.

                              Here comes just your political problems, would someone allow APKWS to be used on such old airframe without all other upgrades for modern military use where you need datalinks and all to be part of military today? No...

                              It doesn't remove technical facts that APKWS is usable with it (like with our hornet) without modifications, but it is political restriction for safety and effectiveness and all.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Fri13 View Post
                                Based to manufacturer representive responsible to APKWS project informations at BAE that I contacted, nothing that is said there is true.
                                NOTHING WAS CHANGED in the Hornets that were tested.

                                No new wiring, no software changes, nothing.

                                I am waiting if I get information from the personnel in the military side, but that is less likely happening.
                                Can you provide the source for those statements?

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by BarTzi View Post
                                  Can you provide the source for those statements?
                                  No, why I didn't give them as they are private by content.

                                  Fact just is, the manufacturer statement of no requirements for hardware or software changes is true. If you can fire unguided rocket, it is all that is required.

                                  Rest is politics.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BarTzi View Post
                                    Can you provide the source for those statements?



                                    Take everything he says with a grain of salt. He also claimed to be in possession of a Tor operator manual.



                                    There is NO WAY a BAE or any other arms manufacturer would have given him ANY of that information to a private citizen without facing serious charges under ITAR.

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                                      #19



                                      +!




                                      The APKWS absolutely requires some updates to software and pylons.



                                      Also the APKWS will only fit on a Mk66 motor.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Dagger71 View Post
                                        There is NO WAY a BAE or any other arms manufacturer would have given him ANY of that information to a private citizen without facing serious charges under ITAR.
                                        And yet whilst researching for the APKWS requirement of the application for manual writer for ED (Congrats Stretch! ), i came across quite a bit of (freely available) information for the APKWS system, you just need but to be 'quite deep' in your searching . . . .

                                        Originally posted by Dagger71 View Post
                                        The APKWS absolutely requires some updates to software and pylons.

                                        Also the APKWS will only fit on a Mk66 motor.
                                        Not true.

                                        If you can fire a rocket, you can fire an APKWS rocket, you can even mix and match.

                                        APKWS requires NO software changes, nor pylon re-wiring.
                                        And it is NOT solely restricted to the Mk66 motor.
                                        The APKWS system is solely the head, which is (literally!) screwed on to a rocket body. BAe are scaling it up (the head) to use larger caliber rocket systems too.

                                        See attachments below.

                                        In the control section attachment, *A is where the fusing attaches, *B is the motor attachment.
                                        *3 are the moveable wings, and *2 are the sensor heads that pick up reflected laser energy.
                                        *1 are the servo's for the moveable wings, and *4 are the processing and control section.
                                        This WHOLE ASSEMBLY can be scaled up or down (slightly) to match any caliber.


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