Phil C6 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hi, nice article and video here: https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/dogfighting-in-an-fa-18-hornet/ I'm not able to get as high AOA between 200-320kts (i mean same aoa at the same speed in DCS) AOA i got in DCS is lesser, what i done wrong? is it FM issue? By ex: In the video: at 5min29 for 291Kts it gets 26.5° while in DCS for 293kts i got only 21.5° at 5min30 it gets 33° for 237kts while in DCS i can't get a such AOA at higher speed than about 120-125kts (for 237kts i get about 27°) Surely the FM dev team will find some other ex 5° more of AOA should be great for an angle/radius fighter at these low speed Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I assume you also did your tests without any payload? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil C6 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hi yes, must i change something and test again? Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The AOA performance of hornet in DCS has been deliberately fudged, I think Wags said as much in an interview a while ago. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil C6 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 The AOA performance of hornet in DCS has been deliberately fudged, I think Wags said as much in an interview a while ago. Hi i understand for classify data but for public data too? Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 14, 2020 ED Team Share Posted October 14, 2020 The AOA performance of hornet in DCS has been deliberately fudged, I think Wags said as much in an interview a while ago. Hey Swift, after having this flagged, I chatted with Wags about this as I had never really heard this right from him. What he said during an interview that there can be some sensitive areas, this includes the Hornet's high AOA low-speed capabilities. We want to be careful when driving towards more classified material not to share something that wasn't supposed to be shared. That said, we have enough data on the Hornet that we don't need to fudge anything, as the data is all available from public sources, nothing will be fudged on the Hornet, and any issues with the Hornet right now are related to issues that still need to be addressed by the Hornet Team. Thanks! Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majik Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Great to hear NL. The real number definitely is out there in public, and doesn't seem classified. Can't remember which episode of the FPP (or FB livestream), but the Charlie Hornet's AOA number was given (I forget exactly, but somewhere around 35°, and controllable even higher with roll rate being affected). I remember being surprised by that more than the number distinctly because there was a moment of "wait, can we talk about this? Oh we can..", and how that was seemingly different to what the Wags' interview suggested. Edit: found it Edited October 14, 2020 by Majik Win10 Pro | i7-9700K @5.0GHz | 2080 Super @2160MHz | 32GB DDR4 3600 | DCS on 1TB M.2 NVME | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswinds V2 | HP Reverb | Huion 640P | Jetpad FSE | PointCTRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Hey Swift, after having this flagged, I chatted with Wags about this as I had never really heard this right from him. What he said during an interview that there can be some sensitive areas, this includes the Hornet's high AOA low-speed capabilities. We want to be careful when driving towards more classified material not to share something that wasn't supposed to be shared. That said, we have enough data on the Hornet that we don't need to fudge anything, as the data is all available from public sources, nothing will be fudged on the Hornet, and any issues with the Hornet right now are related to issues that still need to be addressed by the Hornet Team. Thanks! I do recall reading the thing Swift is talking about, some time ago. But I'm glad to hear that it will (might?) be revisited for the upcoming FM changes. It's public data, after all. Here's hoping. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Ah I see, the AOA thing then was just an example of how something sensitive may have to be fudged? It's good to hear that other sources have arisen to describe hornets flight then. Hopefully OPs links can help. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmed Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Glad to see that ED are not going the road other developers go not to fix broken stuff by making up that "they purposedly toned it down" :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil C6 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Hey Swift, after having this flagged, I chatted with Wags about this as I had never really heard this right from him. What he said during an interview that there can be some sensitive areas, this includes the Hornet's high AOA low-speed capabilities. We want to be careful when driving towards more classified material not to share something that wasn't supposed to be shared. That said, we have enough data on the Hornet that we don't need to fudge anything, as the data is all available from public sources, nothing will be fudged on the Hornet, and any issues with the Hornet right now are related to issues that still need to be addressed by the Hornet Team. Thanks! Great thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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