D4n Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 See trackfile. HARM drops to the ground ~90km from targetHARMinRangeCueTooFar.trk DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Cant watch the track now, but how far were you from the target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 about 150-200 KM from target DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I'm used to miles when it comes to navigation be it at sea or air so Ill talk in miles. OK well HARM doesn't have that much range, I wouldn't be firing it from more that 40 miles and at least 30k feet high going at speed at least mach 1 to be able to reach its target. When it comes to radars that you see, HARMs seeker will pick up a radar illuminating it, but that radar can be 200 miles or more away it depends on your altitude, cause radio waves have infinite range, only reason you cant see them on the other side of the planet earth is cause it is a ball, so the surface is curved, and radio waves travel in a straight line. The higher you are the range gets longer, while on the ground and with a flat surface, you'll have up to 30 miles range with your radio waves. that's why if you fly low, radars pick you up later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 OK well HARM doesn't have that much range, yeah that's obvious, especially from the trackfile. When it comes to radars that you see, HARMs seeker will pick up a radar illuminating it, but that radar can be 200 miles or more away it depends on your altitude, cause radio waves have infinite range, only reason you cant see them on the other side of the planet earth is cause it is a ball, so the surface is curved, and radio waves travel in a straight line. The higher you are the range gets longer, while on the ground and with a flat surface, you'll have up to 30 miles range with your radio waves. that's why if you fly low, radars pick you up later. Please don't teach me radar-lessons in this thread (Especially because I already know all of that.) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 yeah that's obvious, especially from the trackfile. Please don't teach me radar-lessons in this thread (Especially because I already know all of that.) Wow alright, just wanted to help, but seems you know everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 cause radio waves have infinite range, only reason you cant see them on the other side of the planet earth is cause it is a ball, so the surface is curved, and radio waves travel in a straight line. The radio waves do not travel in straight line. They bounce from ground and atmosphere differently depending weather conditions and shapes, they as well can even follow the terrain over the mountains and hills. This is not modeled in the DCS at all. Maybe one day we get a radio waves reflection and refraction modeled, so proper radio propagation modeling. With the maps getting a curvature as well in them (IIRC there is already support but the map needs to be developed using it). This would really require two kind methods to solve it effectively. 1) Use audio analysis, like EAX library already allows to do all that effectively and very quickly without much at all performance hit. You virtually play an radio emission as audio, run it through a EAX effects at various surfaces and you analyze the audio effect that is received by a unit and convert it to as radio emission. 2) Use a ray tracing, but need to find a clever way to apply a invisible visual effects on each element that ray would be bouncing. And it is much more heavier in processing and doesn't really give so great result for other than simple radar kind functions where you would need to have the direct line of sight, like run a ray tracing only in a 2x3 degree cone and check what would be painted "with radar". Very rough and ugly but workable. In DCS the HARM is overpowered weapon, it is just victim of the simple targeting systems in DCS that needs to be improved in the future. The electronic warfare is currently extremely limited model in DCS. And it really requires very big investment to develop it considerable part of the DCS because so many top modules are 2005+ versions and there the EW is very important part of the combat. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence201 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 See trackfile. HARM drops to the ground ~90km from target BLUF Regardless of EW lessons, there is no “In Rng” cue in HAS mode, which is all we have at the moment [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 What? The flashing rectangle in HUD means "in range", contrary to the static rectangle. (source is a discord user from the famous "Viper Pit" F-16 discord) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team cofcorpse Posted October 17, 2020 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2020 AFAIK, in the HAS mode, flashing FOV Box shows that handoff data was accepted and a missile is ready for launch. There is no range information in the HAS mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking 1-1 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 AFAIK, in the HAS mode, flashing FOV Box shows that handoff data was accepted and a missile is ready for launch. There is no range information in the HAS mode. That is how I understand HAS as well. HAS has no range, only HTS can support you with ranges, as far as I know. Before you call everything a "bug": RTFM & try again! Thank you. :music_whistling: I9-9900k, 32 GB RAM, Geforce RTX 2080 TI, 128 GB M2 SSD, 1 TB SSD, Track IR, Warthog Hotas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence201 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 AFAIK, in the HAS mode, flashing FOV Box shows that handoff data was accepted and a missile is ready for launch. There is no range information in the HAS mode. That :thumbup: Read HAF -34 and it points out different HARM modes [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 The missile has no pre-launch range info in HAS, there is no In Range cue. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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