JigSaw82 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Hey guys, since i am new to the forum but not new to DCS i would like to push this topic again. I have been facing this issue since the module was released and as far as i got it, it is still W.I.P. ?!? right? Due to several moments of beeing confronted with total loss of aircraft caused by this bug, i just did a test last days which still show the issue. (OpenBeta 2.5.6.50979 but also in with current stable version) i doulblechecked that i am not the only one facing this issue... That something is going to go very wrong can be seen as the Indicated Speed drops dramatically although the aircraft dives down to earth. So, is it due to icing of Pitot-Probes? The Anti-Ice Switch was tested in “Auto” and “On” position. No Difference. In some cases, if you are lucky with altitude and time reduce speed and probably the situation turns back to normal. Regards JigSaw Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 29, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 29, 2020 Hi rudder oscillation has been fixed, if you are seeing a pitch oscillation we would like to see a short track replay showing it. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 Thanks for quick reply. just uploaded the rudder oscillation issue again. recorded this morning with current version (stable) not fixed if you ask me. ;) i will check out how to provide track files. I just recorded the TacView Files. Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 29, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Hi, moved to a new thread so we can focus on pitch. If you have a track replay showing this happen please attach it, I will also try to reproduce thanks Edited June 29, 2020 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 29, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 29, 2020 Thanks for quick reply. just uploaded the rudder oscillation issue again. recorded this morning with current version (stable) not fixed if you ask me. ;) i will check out how to provide track files. I just recorded the TacView Files. in the video you are exceeding airspeed limit, which is 1.2 Mach at low altitude. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 as mentioned... it is not just pitch. Sum Things up: Rudder Oscillation issue still present for me (2.5.6.49798 Stable): Pitch Oscillation issue still present for me (2.5.6.49798 Stable): Pitch Oscillation issue still present for me (2.5.6 OpenBeta 2.5.6.50979): these records are fresh with current versions. I can also provide TacView Files but no trackfiles yet. Need to find out how to. Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) in the video you are exceeding airspeed limit, which is 1.2 Mach at low altitude. thats true... i am aware of this fact. So your conclusion would be: it works as designed? ok, got it how to save the track files. Next time facing such an issue i will save and provide the file? What is prefered? Stable or Beta? Edited June 29, 2020 by JigSaw82 Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 New example. I am about to loose the interesst in F-16C module due to this anoying issue. trk is to large for uploading, even as zip file. Sorry.OscillationIssue.logOscillationIssue.txt.acmi.zip Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 2, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 2, 2020 Hi we need to see a track replay as short as possible showing this happen. you can save a track replay when you exit the mission during the debrief window. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) New example. I am about to loose the interesst in F-16C module due to this anoying issue. trk is to large for uploading, even as zip file. Sorry. Combing through your very long video, it was obvious you opened your AAR door? WHY at that speed? You need to be much much slower for the AAR door to be opened. Recommend closing it, slowing down and the isolation will go away. The FLCS is dampened when the AAR door is open and you're going Mach .90+ accelerating to over Mach 1.0, the jet doesn't behave when those two things occur. Video at time stamp where you opened the AAR door. Edited July 2, 2020 by =Panther= Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Hi we need to see a track replay as short as possible showing this happen. you can save a track replay when you exit the mission during the debrief window. thanks No idea why i did this. Definity stupid, i am aware that 300kt is the limit. But i doubt that this is the reason for the strange oscillation. I faced this issue several times even without refueling procedure. thanks for the hint though Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Hi we need to see a track replay as short as possible showing this happen. you can save a track replay when you exit the mission during the debrief window. thanks will provide as soon as i can record the scenario in a short video and trackfile Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 here we go again, just recorded the same issue with a different weapon layout again. Pure Weapons training against AI. No refueling. is it me doing something generally wrong? :cry: Video Upload to YouTube is still in progress 1st time 2nd time attachments as requested: jpg shows payload zip contains tacview file log trk regardsOscillationIssue02.trkOscillationIssue02.logOscillationIssue02.zip Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpool Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) I reported the same thing for different effects. ( https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=279944 ) You were at 560 kts in reality and that's when this effect is going to happen. you can produce it in level flight when flying wings level AB on clean at sea level even. What is interesting though, is how the speed readouts on both your HUD are wrong as well as your steam gauge .. in the second video it's not responding at all anymore. That's I think the real issue and something I'd like explained. In your case even the analog altimeter gave out .. the HUD one is still working though .. The altimeter later recovered about the time you went from DGFT to NAV mode again. I couldn't see you getting any FLCS error that would indicate problems with the Airprobe either. Edited July 4, 2020 by deadpool Lincoln said: “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Do not expect a reply to any questions, 30.06.2021 - Silenced by Nineline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 Glad to be not the only one in this topic. I would like to know why almost no-one else is facing this effect. My stomach tells me it hast something to do with starting the aircraft by myself every time. Next missions I will go for a hot start at the runway instead of cold-starting myself. Thanks for your thoughts. In almost any case with this effect the speedometer and altimeter went crazy, yes. Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) I would like to know why almost no-one else is facing this effect. I do also see this issue. But I do not fly the F-16 anymore for the moment because it is to much WIP/unfinished/bugged. (F-16 and Stable) ... Patiently waiting for something a bit more ... F-16ish. Edited July 4, 2020 by Dee-Jay ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortinero Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 This issue still happening, and it is really annoying, low fuel, high speed, oscillates and if you're at low alt you're dead. It was reported at June, and we are at September... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw82 Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 I did faced the issue a few day's ago during a GR Mission again... so it is still not solved. Didn't checked with last Update from Wednesday. Hardware: Dark Base Pro 900 | Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Intel i9-13900KF | Kingston 5600 128GB Memory | 980 PRO 1TB NVMe "System" + 980 PRO 2TB NVMe "DCS" | RTX™ 4090 TUF | Silent Loop 360 AIO Input: Logitech G15 + Roccat Kone + Virpil CM3 + Virpil Panel 2 + VKB Gunfighter Ultimate + Slaw Device RX Viper + Track IR + Valve Index OS: Win11 Pro 64Bit DCS Maps: All DCS Modules: All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Track file attached. The oscillation occurs at the end of the track.F16 Oscillation.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16FLCS-SME Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Not sure if it is relevant but here are my 2 cents: 1. You were flying at 860 knots at ~10K feet. The maximum speed up to 30K feet is 800 knots according to -1. 2. You were flying with the STORES CONFIG switch at CAT III for the entire mission. According to -1-2, your stores configuration is CAT I. Please look at line 17 of the AIM 9 section. After jettisoning the exteranl fuel tanks, I think you should have switched to CAT I anyway. You did not get a STORES CONFIG caution light since it is not modeled yet (WIP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Nice observations, but if that were the case then it would be repeatable every time. Cat I/III loading is not implemented. I flick that switch out of habit, and yes, I forgot to set it back after dumping tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16FLCS-SME Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Can you please try to reproduce with CAT I just to see if it has anything to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Will do. No problem. So, I'll leave it in CAT 1? Because 6 9x's is still CAT III. Let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Well. someone once told me that anything over two 9m's on the wings is CAT III. I could be wrong. Is that a DCS manual? Anyway, I got the strange pitch ups again on Caucasus today. I might have taken damage, but it was too dark.F16 Pitch Behaviour.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16FLCS-SME Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 This is not from the DCS manual. It is from the -1-2 which I believe DCS F-16 is based on, and if not, it should be! The -1-2 is publicly available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts