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    A-10C vs A-10C ll

    For those who have both. Which one will you fly more?
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    A-10C
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    Buzz

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      #3
      Whatever the missions/campaigns offer.
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        #4
        I drift towards the A-10C ll. But I must say my renewed interest in the warthog with new upgrade has opened my eyes to some really good stuff that is in the old A-10C. The gun is super.
        The new flight model just make the warthog module a lot of fun to fly.
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          #5
          The King is dead ....Long live the King!
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            #6
            Everything OLD is NEW AGAIN!
            I purchased the Original DCS A-10C in 2011. It is fantastic to have such a classic module get updated this way. I hope the response has been better than EA expected, and they will be doing similar $10 upgrades/refreshes to the other very old modules like the Huey, F5 and F86 etc.
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              #7
              For me I lean towards the A10-C II, got to love that HMCS and the laser rockets.
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                #8
                Interesting results. I thought the old Hog would show more.

                Carry on.
                Buzz

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                  #9
                  I voted for the A-10C II, because it is arguably "better" as the APKWS is a game changer for capability (more so than the laser maverick and laser JDAM). The Scorpion helmet sight is also amazing.

                  All that being said, they are so close to each other overall and so well modelled that owning either is well worth the spend.

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                    #10
                    I can't get along with the Scorpion Helmet sight. I don't know how it is with VR but I use Trackir. The sight lags behind Trackir. If I want to look out the side of the cockpit with the sight my head is looking at the back of the plane and the sight is straight out to the side. That means I have my eyes pointed as far back as I can. That's really uncomfortable and I can't hold it for long. Since i'm blind in my right eye it's impossible out the left side of the cockpit.

                    I also have problems with the coolie switch. Even after programming it like it should be it doesn't work right. It works ok in the A-10C.

                    So, for me I prefer to fly the old Hog but i'd rather fly the Viper/Hornet if I can't use the new Hog. Not so bad for just $10. I'd be upset if I had paid more.

                    btw The head tracker in the Hornet and Viper work perfect and i can see them fine because they follow where i'm looking and don't lag behind like the Hog.
                    Buzz

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                      #11
                      Doing the new A-10C II now, so that ED realizes that we really appreciate such updates/upgrades and would like to see more modules receive similar attention.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BuzzU View Post
                        I can't get along with the Scorpion Helmet sight. I don't know how it is with VR but I use Trackir. The sight lags behind Trackir. If I want to look out the side of the cockpit with the sight my head is looking at the back of the plane and the sight is straight out to the side. That means I have my eyes pointed as far back as I can. That's really uncomfortable and I can't hold it for long. Since i'm blind in my right eye it's impossible out the left side of the cockpit.

                        I also have problems with the coolie switch. Even after programming it like it should be it doesn't work right. It works ok in the A-10C.

                        So, for me I prefer to fly the old Hog but i'd rather fly the Viper/Hornet if I can't use the new Hog. Not so bad for just $10. I'd be upset if I had paid more.

                        btw The head tracker in the Hornet and Viper work perfect and i can see them fine because they follow where i'm looking and don't lag behind like the Hog.
                        Yep, I'm struggling with the Scorpion + Track IR too. I never noticed the issue with Viper/Hornet, but with the Scorpion, at high angle of head yaw, I have to turn my head one way and and my eyes in the opposite direction to keep the Scorpion pointed at the right spot and actually look at it myself - rather unnatural and uncomfortable.

                        I find things more comfortable with A-10C to be honest. But then I really don't even enjoy using the Tpod that much. Maybe I'm more of an A-10A kind of person. Feels like too many of the DCS birds are just Tpod bomb transports. I kind of prefer old school I guess.

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                          #13
                          Old school, new school, just turn off the helmet and leave the rockets at home, then what's the difference. What do you need the old one for?

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                            #14
                            Or what do I need the new one for?

                            (It's rhetorical, by the way.)

                            I'm not complaining about the II. Just not sure I needed the new toys.... yet. But it took me eight years to start enjoying the Hog at all. It'll likely change.
                            Last edited 10-19-2020, 05:59 AM.

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                              #15
                              this could be solved if ED made the HMCS position influenced by TrackIR. As I turn my head to the right, I'd like the HMCS to slew to the right edge of the screen.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by wowbagger View Post
                                Yep, I'm struggling with the Scorpion + Track IR too. I never noticed the issue with Viper/Hornet, but with the Scorpion, at high angle of head yaw, I have to turn my head one way and and my eyes in the opposite direction to keep the Scorpion pointed at the right spot and actually look at it myself - rather unnatural and uncomfortable.

                                I find things more comfortable with A-10C to be honest. But then I really don't even enjoy using the Tpod that much. Maybe I'm more of an A-10A kind of person. Feels like too many of the DCS birds are just Tpod bomb transports. I kind of prefer old school I guess.
                                Sounds like you could get better performance out of TrackIR with a little help on setting Axis Ratios, Curves, Dead Zone, etc...

                                Great video by Jabbers:

                                https://youtu.be/qdefLYQ9uYA
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Emmy View Post
                                  Sounds like you could get better performance out of TrackIR with a little help on setting Axis Ratios, Curves, Dead Zone, etc...

                                  Great video by Jabbers:

                                  https://youtu.be/qdefLYQ9uYA
                                  No, it's simply how the two systems work together. The Scorpion will always be in the centre of the display, and the Track IR works by turning your head (ie, away from centre). So there will always be the weird sensation of turning your head one way and your eyes the other.

                                  My axes work well and are comfortable for every other aspect of flight simming. Trying to adjust to minimize this would make them far too sensitive for normal use, I suspect. The problem isn't as evident in the Hornet/Viper/Blackshark because I tend to be looking at smaller angles from centre with those, minimizing the problem.

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                                    #18
                                    Edit..........Why bother. I'll just get more warning for giving my opinion.
                                    Last edited 10-19-2020, 02:54 PM.
                                    Buzz

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                                      #19
                                      ATM there's more content for the old suite, with the new cockpit and the new flight model it's a joy to fly, it's only a bit difficult to keep in mind the different hotas software logic, I'd need two brains...

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                                        #20
                                        Not every product they sell is intended for everyone to be fair. While TrackIR certainly has its limitations and I agree its not as easy to use with the HMCS as say VR would be, imagine all the people without headtracking at all trying to use their joystick PoV hat to lock target and set a SPI :o I wouldn't even try. Doesn't mean they shouldn't implement it, but folks without TIR or VR certainly may not opt to buy it.

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